2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Arm chair GMing from 30,000 feet.

Team culture means nothing. You should always trade your pending UFA’s. It should be a turnstile for any player approaching 30.

Well Tampa sent Stamoks packing, and Hedman was upset. So upset that he took Stamkos C.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Wolven

You are looking at the wrong end of the standings. 5 of the bottom 6 teams are in the West. The Blackhawks, Sharks, Ducks, Preds, and Kraken.

Having that many struggling teams in the conference helps to lift up the good teams to higher point totals because they are feasting on the bad teams.

Also, having that many bad teams means that the "bad" Flames team that everyone penciled in as being in the top 5 of the draft is sitting on the playoff bubble because we can't help but win against the worse teams.

Or are they struggling because they have to play better teams? It's a saw off at best. Flames aren't in the spot they are because of conference.

[Toonage]

Re: The TSN news yesterday about Conroy wanting to sign Andersson.


This was exactly what we heard form Friedman et all about Hanifin, and quite frankly Rasmus is better at playing the media.

Wouldn't get worked up about it. He's likely on the move. Just a matter of when I think.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Obviously you haven't been listening to all of the people who say it is hard to run a team in Calgary (or Canada) because we are a small market with high taxes, etc. etc.

Any team that is feeling like their market is harder to attract players to will have to work harder to earn players trust and respect. With how players move around in the league, if you treat your players well, the word will get around and other players may be more open minded to joining your organization.

But if your team treats players like crap then no one will want to join your team unless it looks like you are a cup contender.

Vegas is a good example of that. Their organization has not been kind to the players, especially their goalies. Fleury and Thompson's stories come to mind as neither guy was spoken to about their trades. Thompson was sitting at a table signing Vegas merch when the news broke on Twitter that he was traded.

When Vegas starts to slide out of their cup contention window, they will probably still get players signing their simply because it's Vegas. But some players will probably think twice about it as the team is building up a reputation for not being good to players. (10 Vegas players have NTC/NMC)

The Flames cannot afford to have a reputation like that.

Let me posit the other side of the question: when has the flames perceived culture around the league benefitted the club in attracting a notable FA?

Coleman is a good example perhaps, but I wouldnt qualify him as a top tier FA more a nice to have, and I am not sure it was the club as much as the city- the articles about his choice seem to talk a lot about the lifestyle the city offers.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Sounds more like if we trade Andersson our d-core is going to be significantly worse and we'll likely drop in the standings. Which again, I'm fully on board with myself personally.

That is part of the issue though, how much will they drop? Conroy needs to get a good enough return to justify the Flames giving the 11th overall pick to Montreal in case they hang around.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Or are they struggling because they have to play better teams? It's a saw off at best. Flames aren't in the spot they are because of conference.

No one is saying "the Blackhawks/Sharks/Ducks would be playoff teams if only they didn't have to play against so many tough teams....". Those teams burned themselves down to the ground all at the same time to rebuild.

The Flames are the 4th team trying to rebuild in the West at the same time and we simply are not able to tank as hard as the other tankers.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I
I like the long term outlook for the team just get that center, hole, cavity, crevass filled.

I think the short term outlook is a lot better than the long term outlook.

Sure Kadri and Huberdeau are playing better, but they are part of the current outlook, not the future. Andersson the same. Likely Weegar also.

Our future is centred around Wolf, Coronato and Zary. Plus a stable of prospects who are some years away from even knowing if they can be part of the core or not. I expect some will be, but prospects are voodoo.

The future needs quite a bit more than filling the centre hole. That will just help keep the present being just OK for longer, and actually likely delays the real rebuild.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the short term outlook is a lot better than the long term outlook.

Sure Kadri and Huberdeau are playing better, but they are part of the current outlook, not the future. Andersson the same. Likely Weegar also.

Our future is centred around Wolf, Coronato and Zary. Plus a stable of prospects who are some years away from even knowing if they can be part of the core or not. I expect some will be, but prospects are voodoo.

The future needs quite a bit more than filling the centre hole. That will just help keep the present being just OK for longer, and actually likely delays the real rebuild.

I'd feel a lot more optimistic if the Flames had 3-4 decent centres in the prospect pool

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Perhaps I am simply wrong in this but I still feel like the Flames could get huge value out of a July 1st trade by using retention and an extension.

The extension would be the kicker to make it more than a full year rental. The receiving team would get Andersson for potentially 9 years, one at a discount and 8 at full value.

In my head, the sign and trade should be more valuable because of the degree of certainty it gives than trading him at this deadline with the risk that he walks to UFA at the end of next season.

Either way the value should be great.

Simple question. Can you do a sign and trade and only retain on the first contract? Or do you have to retain on the extension as well?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well Tampa sent Stamoks packing, and Hedman was upset. So upset that he took Stamkos C.

You’re right. We’re just like Tampa Bay.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Let me posit the other side of the question: when has the flames perceived culture around the league benefitted the club in attracting a notable FA?

Coleman is a good example perhaps, but I wouldnt qualify him as a top tier FA more a nice to have, and I am not sure it was the club as much as the city- the articles about his choice seem to talk a lot about the lifestyle the city offers.

I think the Flames and the city have a lot to offer players. Obviously the Saddledome is not a big selling feature but the team prioritizes doing the right thing by the people in their organization.

Some notable signings:
Kadri.
Bouwmeester.
Conroy, Tanguay, and Cammalleri all played for the team more than once, which I think speaks highly of the team culture.

I am sure there are more examples but the point I would make is that the Flames work harder at having a good culture than the Oilers and I think we have better FA signings because of it.

[InternationalVillager]

Where are we talking about Lebrun posting Flames pursuit of Cozens?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Simple question. Can you do a sign and trade and only retain on the first contract? Or do you have to retain on the extension as well?

I think the other team would have to do the signing the last time this came up.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah, again, I agree it's not zero. But it seems the flames routinely treat it at a 90/100 type of valuation, when I think it's closer to the 10/100 valuation.

I think Vegas can treat it like 10/100.

I think Calgary has a number much higher.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Where are we talking about Lebrun posting Flames pursuit of Cozens?

Where did he say that? I've looked on the ol' Twitter box.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's pretty condescending.

How is that condescending?

I would have the same reaction to anyone who thinks our cup window is opening. When we are in year 1 of a rebuild.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Where did he say that? I've looked on the ol' Twitter box.

Latest Athletic piece (today) where he says the Flames are not interested in trading Andersson and they are one of a few teams who has checked in on Cozens.

The key takeaway here, as I see it, is the Flames pouring cold water on the Andersson trade speculation. Specifically for the remainder of this season.

[liamenator]

Media reports that he is happy here, he might stay, the team is reluctant to trade him could very well be a proactive attempt by the Flames to control the narrative and avoid having the market manipulated against their interests as it so often was last year.

We have been almost constantly on the back foot as agents and opposing teams deflate asset values to ensure our players end up where they want to go. Conroy did as well as he could last year, but the only real slam-dunk win was the Lindholm trade. Maybe he's just trying to get out in front of this one -- which is easier to do, given only Anderson is in this situation and Conroy is not juggling a half dozen players actively looking to move on.

[Rhett44]

It would be a huge mistake to keep Andersson.

He should get good value and be shipped out asap.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Wolven

You are looking at the wrong end of the standings. 5 of the bottom 6 teams are in the West. The Blackhawks, Sharks, Ducks, Preds, and Kraken.

Having that many struggling teams in the conference helps to lift up the good teams to higher point totals because they are feasting on the bad teams.

Also, having that many bad teams means that the "bad" Flames team that everyone penciled in as being in the top 5 of the draft is sitting on the playoff bubble because we can't help but win against the worse teams.

I think it's not just the West but the entire league that seems to have some defined splits.

The East has a lot of the mediocre type teams below the league average points percentage.

Seems to be 13 teams likey in the playoffs and not falling out 12 of which are .600 or better. 12 of these mediocre teams between .500 and .570 points percentage, than 7 bad teams under the 500 point percentage mark. There's 5 teams from the West in thst bad category.

By game 60 I think we'll see something like 4 splits with 7-9 teams clearly in those categories. Than it's a matter of how far tier 3 teams fall back of the tier 2 ones making a real playoff push.