2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Andersson's value will never be higher than this deadline.
The issue remains 2 fold:

1. Flames continue mushy middle wildcard team because the west is very poor this year
2. Craig reluctant to trade if we’re still in a spot because of revenue and owing the locker room a chance to chase a cup.

The caveat here is Anderssons power to decide what he wants to do.
Yes he loves Calgary.
Yes he would sign a fat extension with Calgary, but only if we’re making the playoffs and making a run every year.

The absolute worst part about this situation is also the best part coincidentally:

1. Wolf is a monster, he’s kept this team in it almost single handily
2. Youth movement in Zary and Coronato has paid off in spades, looks like both guys are going to be studs long term
3. Were almost guaranteed to lose our first now to MTL
4. The west has been so weak that even in the year we should be “bad” we’ve some how managed to be terrible at being worse
5. Our best assets don’t know what they want to do and because we’re in a wildcard spot Craig needs to decide soon what the long term plan is

Crazy times again in CGY… more and more of the same mediocre middle play but sprinkled with some very nice youth positivity.

How is the west terrible? 6/7 of the top teams are in the west. The flames playoff standing in the East would be much more solid than it is now. They would be tied for third in the Atlantic with TB.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Major Major

How is the west terrible? 6/7 of the top teams are in the west. The flames playoff standing in the East would be much more solid than it is now. They would be tied for third in the Atlantic with TB.

You are looking at the wrong end of the standings. 5 of the bottom 6 teams are in the West. The Blackhawks, Sharks, Ducks, Preds, and Kraken.

Having that many struggling teams in the conference helps to lift up the good teams to higher point totals because they are feasting on the bad teams.

Also, having that many bad teams means that the "bad" Flames team that everyone penciled in as being in the top 5 of the draft is sitting on the playoff bubble because we can't help but win against the worse teams.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Andersson's value will never be higher than this deadline.
The issue remains 2 fold:

1. Flames continue mushy middle wildcard team because the west is very poor this year
2. Craig reluctant to trade if we’re still in a spot because of revenue and owing the locker room a chance to chase a cup.

The caveat here is Anderssons power to decide what he wants to do.
Yes he loves Calgary.
Yes he would sign a fat extension with Calgary, but only if we’re making the playoffs and making a run every year.

The absolute worst part about this situation is also the best part coincidentally:

1. Wolf is a monster, he’s kept this team in it almost single handily
2. Youth movement in Zary and Coronato has paid off in spades, looks like both guys are going to be studs long term
3. Were almost guaranteed to lose our first now to MTL
4. The west has been so weak that even in the year we should be “bad” we’ve some how managed to be terrible at being worse
5. Our best assets don’t know what they want to do and because we’re in a wildcard spot Craig needs to decide soon what the long term plan is

Crazy times again in CGY… more and more of the same mediocre middle play but sprinkled with some very nice youth positivity.

How much of it do you think is Edwards pushing for Andersson to be signed.

If this is what Conroy wants and is presenting to upper management, I have to say its highly disappointing.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How do we find a Barkov type player? Rantanen? Tkachuk? Eichel?

We trade for one but one of Zary or Coronato are heading out the door.

We can sign a bunch of free agents as well. That has seemed to work in the past.

OUr window is still slammed shut until we have some elite prospects in the pipeline.

Hey I get it and agree for the most part. We should of bottomed out a few years ago.
What is this teams ceiling without those types of players? No idea.


Wolf might be in that category for his position. But he won't be enough by himself to make us a contender.


We're most likely going to have to find it without bottoming out though, with the direction it seems we're going in.
Although it's not crazy to think the bottom falls of next year.


Could Coronato be a 40g+\80pt+ guy in a couple years? Unlikely, but I could see it.
Maybe he turns into Pastranak level guy.

Parehk could be a top 10 d man in the league in a few years.


Florida traded for Reinhart and Chucky. Vegas traded for Eichel. If we're not bottoming out we're probably going to have to try and make a big swing trade.

We may need to be creative and get those players outside of the bottom of the draft, ie development or trade

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Royle9

2. Craig reluctant to trade if we’re still in a spot because of revenue and owing the locker room a chance to chase a cup.

Thanks for your continued insight, Royle.

This right here is what I have been most concerned about all season.

The franchise doesn't "owe" the current roster anything. Thinking they do will just get us stuck in a rut. The franchise owes it to itself to best manage assets, even making hard decisions in the short term to get better long term results.

Yeah, sometimes it sucks. But getting caught up in feelings or owing a group something esoteric is just handicapping yourself. A really good manager could find a way to ensure whats best for long term while soothing the younger players. The older vets need to know that the team's situation is entirely on them, and have to live with that reality.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You say these things but you don’t actually know.

Can you cite one example of a team that was offered X on a certain date and then ended up accepting less at a later date? Be specific. What was on the table at one point and what was offered later? Not talking about speculation here either. Confirmed real trade offers. Let’s hear it.

Confirmed real trade offers don't usually leak. And 2 weeks ago you had an article from actual NHL GMs where one said they offered more for Hanifin but the flames held on too long, yet you particularly dismissed that article as not good proof because of some vague notion that the executives might be underqualified.

So no, go ahead and google some old trades yourself. But you know I am right.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Andersson's value will never be higher than this deadline.

Perhaps I am simply wrong in this but I still feel like the Flames could get huge value out of a July 1st trade by using retention and an extension.

The extension would be the kicker to make it more than a full year rental. The receiving team would get Andersson for potentially 9 years, one at a discount and 8 at full value.

In my head, the sign and trade should be more valuable because of the degree of certainty it gives than trading him at this deadline with the risk that he walks to UFA at the end of next season.

Either way the value should be great.

[traptor]

Calgary seems to white glove their players almost more then any other organization in the league.


It would be nice for them to be assertive and not reactive for once.

Don't wait on the players to make every decision for you. Think we would of learned after getting burned so many times over the last few years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Hey I get it and agree for the most part. We should of bottomed out a few years ago.
What is this teams ceiling without those types of players? No idea.


Wolf might be in that category for his position. But he won't be enough by himself to make us a contender.


We're most likely going to have to find it without bottoming out though, with the direction it seems we're going in.
Although it's not crazy to think the bottom falls of next year.


Could Coronato be a 40g+\80pt+ guy in a couple years? Unlikely, but I could see it.
Maybe he turns into Pastranak level guy.

Parehk could be a top 10 d man in the league in a few years.


Florida traded for Reinhart and Chucky. Vegas traded for Eichel. If we're not bottoming out we're probably going to have to try and make a big swing trade.

We may need to be creative and get those players outside of the bottom of the draft, ie development or trade

We also need to take a good look at what stage the team was in. Vegas was contending for a cup; Florida just won a president's trophy. Florida also traded a 115-point player and 3rd overall draft pick for Tkachuk and up and coming defenceman that was highly regarded.

Teams in a rebuild don't make those trades, and contending teams make those trades because they can and they have the assets.

The Eichel one is always funny trying to use it as a comparison to Pettersson. How many teams in the gutter joined the Eichel sweeptakes? None it was Calgary and Vegas 2 teams trying to win.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How much of it do you think is Edwards pushing for Andersson to be signed.

If this is what Conroy wants and is presenting to upper management, I have to say its highly disappointing.

I honestly don't think he is pushing at all, not like he was previously at least.
I think Edwards would be equally happy to bring in another high caliber young player who could turn into a jersey selling machine.

Sounds more like if we trade Andersson our d-core is going to be significantly worse and we'll likely drop in the standings. Which again, I'm fully on board with myself personally.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We also need to take a good look at what stage the team was in. Vegas was contending for a cup; Florida just won a president's trophy. Florida also traded a 115-point player and 3rd overall draft pick for Tkachuk and up and coming defenceman that was highly regarded.

Teams in a rebuild don't make those trades, and contending teams make those trades because they can and they have the assets.

The Eichel one is always funny trying to use it as a comparison to Pettersson. How many teams in the gutter joined the Eichel sweeptakes? None it was Calgary and Vegas 2 teams trying to win.

Panthers weren't a consistent contender when they trade for Reinhart. They weren't even a consistent playoff team. The Reinhart move and subsequently the Tkachuk move pushed them more and more into that status.


Anyways, I'm not saying the flames need to make that trade tomorrow. But they may have to eventually.

If they don't get elite talent from the bottom of the draft, they're going to have to get it somewhere.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Thanks for your continued insight, Royle.

This right here is what I have been most concerned about all season.

The franchise doesn't "owe" the current roster anything. Thinking they do will just get us stuck in a rut. The franchise owes it to itself to best manage assets, even making hard decisions in the short term to get better long term results.

Yeah, sometimes it sucks. But getting caught up in feelings or owing a group something esoteric is just handicapping yourself. A really good manager could find a way to ensure whats best for long term while soothing the younger players. The older vets need to know that the team's situation is entirely on them, and have to live with that reality.

But aren't you arm chair quarterbacking in a vacuum?

It's a team sport where culture, unity and chemistry matter. If you don't place high value on that, that's fine, but it's not zero.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Confirmed real trade offers don't usually leak. And 2 weeks ago you had an article from actual NHL GMs where one said they offered more for Hanifin but the flames held on too long, yet you particularly dismissed that article as not good proof because of some vague notion that the executives might be underqualified.

So no, go ahead and google some old trades yourself. But you know I am right.

I had an article? Think you’re confused. If you’re referring the Win Column piece that wasn’t me who shared it. But that kind of proves my point. One guy said his offer was better. Okay, guess we take him at his word without even knowing who he is or even what team he works for?

Look, I would agree that in most instances you are likely right but I don’t think it is true in all instances and that is how you are framing it.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I honestly don't think he is pushing at all, not like he was previously at least.
I think Edwards would be equally happy to bring in another high caliber young player who could turn into a jersey selling machine.

Sounds more like if we trade Andersson our d-core is going to be significantly worse and we'll likely drop in the standings. Which again, I'm fully on board with myself personally.

I do wonder if there is a trade where you can move Andersson but not decimate your d-core, by bringing in some type of reclamation in the deal.

Like the senators, something around pinto/greig + zub + pick

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Trading Andersson is the smartest move as far as asset management.

But there are those intangibles that a few have mentioned like gutting the locker room that seems to be really close. Robbing them of a chance at playoffs which if you are a player, you’ve worked really hard to get to this spot.

Hard to gauge what kind of lasting impact that could have on the cohesiveness of the group.

Conroy’s in a tough spot when it comes to this. Really tough.

I think I’m on team trade him, but I certainly fluctuate somewhere in the middle (just like the Flames lol)

I think it's a bad move to keep him if the dollar figure is going to be $7.5M + over 8 years. He doesn't do enough offensively IMO to be worthy of that kind of cap allocation. If Craig could work Andersson into some sort of Cozens swap I would be very onboard with that as I think that kid could be a number center in the right situation on a team playing a style that suits him.

I am not sure if the Sabres are willing to part with him for D as the primary return, but its not working in Buffalo so something has to give.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by traptor

Calgary seems to white glove their players almost more then any other organization in the league.


It would be nice for them to be assertive and not reactive for once.

Don't wait on the players to make every decision for you. Think we would of learned after getting burned so many times over the last few years.

Obviously you haven't been listening to all of the people who say it is hard to run a team in Calgary (or Canada) because we are a small market with high taxes, etc. etc.

Any team that is feeling like their market is harder to attract players to will have to work harder to earn players trust and respect. With how players move around in the league, if you treat your players well, the word will get around and other players may be more open minded to joining your organization.

But if your team treats players like crap then no one will want to join your team unless it looks like you are a cup contender.

Vegas is a good example of that. Their organization has not been kind to the players, especially their goalies. Fleury and Thompson's stories come to mind as neither guy was spoken to about their trades. Thompson was sitting at a table signing Vegas merch when the news broke on Twitter that he was traded.

When Vegas starts to slide out of their cup contention window, they will probably still get players signing their simply because it's Vegas. But some players will probably think twice about it as the team is building up a reputation for not being good to players. (10 Vegas players have NTC/NMC)

The Flames cannot afford to have a reputation like that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But aren't you arm chair quarterbacking in a vacuum?

It's a team sport where culture, unity and chemistry matter. If you don't place high value on that, that's fine, but it's not zero.

Arm chair GMing from 30,000 feet.

Team culture means nothing. You should always trade your pending UFA’s. It should be a turnstile for any player approaching 30.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Panthers weren't a consistent contender when they trade for Reinhart. They weren't even a consistent playoff team. The Reinhart move and subsequently the Tkachuk move pushed them more and more into that status.


Anyways, I'm not saying the flames need to make that trade tomorrow. But they may have to eventually.

If they don't get elite talent from the bottom of the draft, they're going to have to get it somewhere.

It was an ascending team that has pieces and hired a big-time coach and had just won 37 games of 55 games.

They almost missed the playoffs when they traded for Tkachuk but a lot of factors. New style and the goaltender turned into a pumpkin.

And that is why you always have to be careful banking on a goalie. They could be Markstrom 21/22 or Markstrom 22/23.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Look, I would agree that in most instances you are likely right but I don’t think it is true in all instances and that is how you are framing it.

Yeah, that's fair. Perhaps absolutes aren't warranted. But we've been in a pitched conversation about this for what seems like 2 months on and off, so it gets hard not to fall into absolutes to try and make points!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But aren't you arm chair quarterbacking in a vacuum?

It's a team sport where culture, unity and chemistry matter. If you don't place high value on that, that's fine, but it's not zero.

Yeah, again, I agree it's not zero. But it seems the flames routinely treat it at a 90/100 type of valuation, when I think it's closer to the 10/100 valuation.