2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He was brought in to play with Johnny and Monny. He was used on the line after every PK. He just sucked. Lindholm clicked better.

Per Neal himself. I still remember him saying this and the season hadn’t even started yet and I thought “uhhhh you aren’t penciled in there big guy…”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Per Neal himself. I still remember him saying this and the season hadn’t even started yet and I thought “uhhhh you aren’t penciled in there big guy…”

After he signed the interview on Flames TV with Parker. That’s where it was discussed.

I was thinking Lindholm the whole time as well.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...p-line/?sn-amp

Article of him talking about how he is the right fit.

Interesting piece I never knew but Peter’s wanted to switch Chucky to RW to play with Johnny and Monny

[Calgary4LIfe]

The Neal stuff is even worse than it seems.


As previously pointed out, Neal was indeed put with Gaudreau and Monahan after every PK. ALL SEASON. Guess how many goals that line scored together! 5? 10? Nope. Zero. Neal was a black hole on every single line he was on, and even Backlund had a tough time carrying his dead weight.


However, although I don't doubt that Gaudreau was upset with getting his hair cut, if he really didn't want Neal on his line, Neal wouldn't have ever been on that line, period.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's really not that simple as the market potentially opens up wider in the off-season.

The number of teams on his NTC is effectively increased, though, as teams acquiring him will only want him if he's willing to re-sign with them. The Flames could get Hanifinned again.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by traptor

I've actually come around on a Petterson trade (depending the cost) because of how good Wolf has been.

We're not tanking if this is who he is. Our window is starting to open.

lol

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by jayswin

lol

It is fun reading a lot of comments on here.

Our window is not starting to open, we need so much more to start building a good team.

We currently have no first line center, and no first line wingers. That's just starting with the forwards.

We are that team that should probably finish bottom 5, but are bring propped up by elite goaltending and great coaching

We are not close to being any sort of cup contender.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Having a star goalie is a key component in winning a cup. Only two teams in recent memory have won without star goaltending. Chicago with Crawford, and Colorado with Kuemper.

Crawford was absolutely a star goaltender for Chicago. Lifetime save % of .918, same in playoffs.

You may be thinking of Niemi, they won their first with him in nets.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

lol

That's pretty condescending.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Hamonic trade was one of the all time worst for the franchise when you consider what he Flames received vs what they could have had with the draft picks. Sometimes I wonder if Treliving made his mind up on his own at times because there's no way the analytical people in the building could have liked the Brouwer and Neal signings or the Hamonic trade.

Someone in the Flames organization hinted at that early on last season.

[FranksandBean]

What are peoples thoughts on Andersson to the Jets after July 1st for Sanberg and Yeager (fill the value gap on both side)? That is assuming they lose Pionk to UFA and gives us an other top 4 LHD possibly (organizational hole in my opinion) while not deprecating them too much. Or if we see him as our future captain then Weeger for a similar package. This would create an opportunity for Perehk to jump to the NHL either next year or the following one.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by FranksandBean

What are peoples thoughts on Andersson to the Jets after July 1st for Sanberg and Yeager (fill the value gap on both side)? That is assuming they lose Pionk to UFA and gives us an other top 4 LHD possibly (organizational hole in my opinion) while not deprecating them too much. Or if we see him as our future captain then Weeger for a similar package. This would create an opportunity for Perehk to jump to the NHL either next year or the following one.

I personally don't believe the Flames will even think about moving Anderson until this summer,

Their first choice, sounds like re-signing the player, which can't start until July 1st.

[Monahammer]

It is an extremely dumb and bad move to hang on to Andersson this season. His value will be less in the summer; he's cost controlled now, can be used for the playoffs, and has a whole other year left on his contract. In summer he's closer to needing his new contract, can't add to a team's playoff position for more than 1 season, and the receiving club has less time to sell him on the resigning opportunity.

Historically, players traded at the TDL for a playoff run with a season remaining are worth more than players with just a season remaining. The single season remaining are treated more like rental players and valued as such.

This team, even if they do squeak into the playoffs, will be dusted in 4 games. And that's ok! The team is overperforming. Don't make dumb decisions based on this mirage of overperformance. Having or not having Andersson is extremely unlikely to change this result at all. It's extremely possible that they miss the playoffs and hang on to andersson, which would be a brutal scenario (and thus should be expected by us fans at this point.)

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's pretty condescending.

Yet true.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by jayswin

lol

I stand by it.
Wolf is looking like he could be a star. If he is, then his prime is our window. Especially if he's good enough to stop us from bottoming out.

Hes 24 in a couple months.
His prime will mostly be the next 10 years until hes 34. These 10 years are our window (if we're able to keep him).

And i said starting to open. Not that it's ripped wide open and we're cup contenders right now. Yeah we still need some pieces.

But you can see a crack now with Wolf, coronato, zary ++ all coming into their own at the NHL level.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by traptor

I stand by it.
Wolf is looking like he could be a star. If he is, then his prime is our window. Especially if he's good enough to stop us from bottoming out.

Hes 24 in a couple months.
His prime will mostly be the next 10 years until hes 34. These 10 years are our window (if we're able to keep him).

And i said starting to open. Not that it's ripped wide open and we're cup contenders right now. Yeah we still need some pieces.

But you can see a crack now with Wolf, coronato, zary ++ all coming into their own at the NHL level.

You are not entirely wrong for sure, but most of us will consider the window starting to open when we have the pieces in place that will form the core of a cup contending team.

The players who are currently playing for Calgary and prospects in the system are not enough to turn Calgary into a contending team in the future. At least in my opinion. Until those other players (primarily high end offensive players including a #1 centre) are obtained, the contention window is not open.

[Royle9]

Andersson's value will never be higher than this deadline.
The issue remains 2 fold:

1. Flames continue mushy middle wildcard team because the west is very poor this year
2. Craig reluctant to trade if we’re still in a spot because of revenue and owing the locker room a chance to chase a cup.

The caveat here is Anderssons power to decide what he wants to do.
Yes he loves Calgary.
Yes he would sign a fat extension with Calgary, but only if we’re making the playoffs and making a run every year.

The absolute worst part about this situation is also the best part coincidentally:

1. Wolf is a monster, he’s kept this team in it almost single handily
2. Youth movement in Zary and Coronato has paid off in spades, looks like both guys are going to be studs long term
3. Were almost guaranteed to lose our first now to MTL
4. The west has been so weak that even in the year we should be “bad” we’ve some how managed to be terrible at being worse
5. Our best assets don’t know what they want to do and because we’re in a wildcard spot Craig needs to decide soon what the long term plan is

Crazy times again in CGY… more and more of the same mediocre middle play but sprinkled with some very nice youth positivity.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by traptor

I stand by it.
Wolf is looking like he could be a star. If he is, then his prime is our window. Especially if he's good enough to stop us from bottoming out.

Hes 24 in a couple months.
His prime will mostly be the next 10 years until hes 34. These 10 years are our window (if we're able to keep him).

And i said starting to open. Not that it's ripped wide open and we're cup contenders right now. Yeah we still need some pieces.

But you can see a crack now with Wolf, coronato, zary ++ all coming into their own at the NHL level.

Im a lot with you on this.

Kadri and Huberdeau are playing at top six level. So are Scoronato and Zary. Get Sharkbait going the top six isnt dynamic but is solid with some good snipers.

Backs seems a little slower bottom six production, good energy guy in pospisil.
No one else really stands out until. If Kerrins and Pelts can be the foundation of a line?
Top pairing has been good certainly not great second pair roughly the same but lower overall, bottom pairing meh i guess?

Goaltending? Aroooooooooo! Top ten goaltending albeit somewhat sheltered.
Vladar has been ok but when you always play on the road?

Its a good not great team but mix in a hot goaltender, a good coach for the group, and a team that gels and likes each other who knows?

I like the long term outlook for the team just get that center, hole, cavity, crevass filled.

[Jiggy_12]

Trading Andersson is the smartest move as far as asset management.

But there are those intangibles that a few have mentioned like gutting the locker room that seems to be really close. Robbing them of a chance at playoffs which if you are a player, you’ve worked really hard to get to this spot.

Hard to gauge what kind of lasting impact that could have on the cohesiveness of the group.

Conroy’s in a tough spot when it comes to this. Really tough.

I think I’m on team trade him, but I certainly fluctuate somewhere in the middle (just like the Flames lol)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

I stand by it.
Wolf is looking like he could be a star. If he is, then his prime is our window. Especially if he's good enough to stop us from bottoming out.

Hes 24 in a couple months.
His prime will mostly be the next 10 years until hes 34. These 10 years are our window (if we're able to keep him).

And i said starting to open. Not that it's ripped wide open and we're cup contenders right now. Yeah we still need some pieces.

But you can see a crack now with Wolf, coronato, zary ++ all coming into their own at the NHL level.

How do we find a Barkov type player? Rantanen? Tkachuk? Eichel?

We trade for one but one of Zary or Coronato are heading out the door.

We can sign a bunch of free agents as well. That has seemed to work in the past.

OUr window is still slammed shut until we have some elite prospects in the pipeline.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It is an extremely dumb and bad move to hang on to Andersson this season. His value will be less in the summer; he's cost controlled now, can be used for the playoffs, and has a whole other year left on his contract. In summer he's closer to needing his new contract, can't add to a team's playoff position for more than 1 season, and the receiving club has less time to sell him on the resigning opportunity.

Historically, players traded at the TDL for a playoff run with a season remaining are worth more than players with just a season remaining. The single season remaining are treated more like rental players and valued as such.

This team, even if they do squeak into the playoffs, will be dusted in 4 games. And that's ok! The team is overperforming. Don't make dumb decisions based on this mirage of overperformance. Having or not having Andersson is extremely unlikely to change this result at all. It's extremely possible that they miss the playoffs and hang on to andersson, which would be a brutal scenario (and thus should be expected by us fans at this point.)

You say these things but you don’t actually know.

Can you cite one example of a team that was offered X on a certain date and then ended up accepting less at a later date? Be specific. What was on the table at one point and what was offered later? Not talking about speculation here either. Confirmed real trade offers. Let’s hear it.