2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm sure there are zillions of wingers out there with cap hits of $1.4 million or less who are better than Toffoli and Mangiapane. It just beats me why Flames' management is too stupid to pick one of them up off the side of the road.

Mangiapane?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Highly doubt the Flames get Kane. I think he’s east coast bound in New York on the Rangers

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, our contracts are lined up now for this team to bottom out with 2 or 3 huge contracts with players that won't be living up to them a few years ago.

I saw a poster earlier say "we can't give up any more prospects or picks or the team may bottom out". Yep, that's what a lot of us wanted all along. Except now we get to be a contender for a few years, PLUS bottom out and go through a proper rebuild.

We have three elite players in the later years of their prime right now, that is THE time that you go for it as an organization, not hold onto a first that may give you a decent top 6 player 4-5 years from now, instead of picking up say a top line forward that puts you that much closer to winning a cup.

One of the reasons the Iginla Flames fizzled out was the lack of any youth coming in and helping the team as their best players remained 35-36 year old Iginla and Kipper. They missed the playoffs the last 4 years of Kippers time here. Flames didn’t trade their picks but drafted pure duds like Pelech, Irving, Nemisz, Erixon before having no pick.

it will be a lot more painful if this team is screwed in year 3 of the Huberdeau extension vs year 5.

I am very much against trading this year’s first for a rental. Longer term piece I am in but for a guy who will come and go after a single run is only worth it if they win. They gave up a 1st last year and this draft is stacked. I want to add a good prospect who can help be a contributor on the back half of Huberdeau’s contract.

[MrMike]

Yup I don’t see Kadri or Huberdeau slowing down until maybe year 5 or 6 of their contracts. They’re playmakers who age much more gracefully.

Hit on one top line player and one more top 6 player over the next 3-4 years in the draft and we should be fine. Here’s hoping Coronato turns into a top line goal scorer.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One of the reasons the Iginla Flames fizzled out was the lack of any youth coming in and helping the team as their best players remained 35-36 year old Iginla and Kipper. They missed the playoffs the last 4 years of Kippers time here. Flames didn’t trade their picks but drafted pure duds like Pelech, Irving, Nemisz, Erixon before having no pick.

it will be a lot more painful if this team is screwed in year 3 of the Huberdeau extension vs year 5.

I am very much against trading this year’s first for a rental. Longer term piece I am in but for a guy who will come and go after a single run is only worth it if they win. They gave up a 1st last year and this draft is stacked. I want to add a good prospect who can help be a contributor on the back half of Huberdeau’s contract.

Drafting well doesn’t stop once the first round is over. This team is littered with good players they drafted past the first round. Come deadline if this team is in first and around a top 5 team in the league and you can add a Pat Kane without subtracting guys from your roster you do it and you draft depth past the first round or you don’t trade your first every year.

If this team can’t win with a pat Kane they probably aren’t winning with an old Kadri/Huberdeau and a pick they made at 25th overall in 2023

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So what? He hasn't had a sniff at an NHL job for all those years. Most former NHL executives get some kind of job in somebody's organization after being fired the first time. Not Button. The actions he performed all those years ago were all the actions we will ever have to assess his abilities by. The entire league has found him wanting and moved on.

No, you're not. You are weighing my opinions at zero, but giving weight to Button's opinions by using them in support of your points.

You already said that. But I have nothing to move on from. I'm not bearing him any grudges here.

I'm just saying that he has shown very poor skill at putting a roster together, and when I consider him as an analyst, I discount his opinions on the subject accordingly.

Apparently you think I'm kicking his dog or something. I'm not. The only emotion I am feeling through all of this is a mild annoyance at you for having to explain something so simple.

Who cares, though? Button said Kane and Calgary would be a good fit, which gave me reason to talk about it. I’m not using his mention of it to “support” my point, it was just a jumping off point, that’s how conversations work. You’re the one who brought up Button’s history even though nobody asked, so if you find yourself annoyed because you’re caught up explaining why you are the way you are, that’s on you my guy.

I am weighing your opinions at zero though. But that’s because they’re usually bad

[saillias]

Konecny would make a lot more sense than Kane. I believe he spends his offseasons in Calgary. Canadian. 25 years old. right shot. Can slot him in 1st or 2nd line.

The Flames like trading for players with term and he has 2 more years after this one.

The catch is Fletcher would presumably be aware of all those things that make him valuable to the Flames and raise the price accordingly. They don't need to get rid of a guy with 2 years term so they'd have the leverage. we would probably "lose" the trade in asset cost.

[MrMike]

Treliving does not get high end rentals. If it’s a bigger named player he requires an extension or term. Tre only rents depth fillers like Jarnkrok and 6th-7th defencemen. So I don’t see any way Kane comes here.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Mangiapane?

Yes, Mangiapane. At present he's the #2 RW. If you want a new #1, he needs to be better than Toffoli and Mangiapane.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One of the reasons the Iginla Flames fizzled out was the lack of any youth coming in and helping the team as their best players remained 35-36 year old Iginla and Kipper. They missed the playoffs the last 4 years of Kippers time here. Flames didn’t trade their picks but drafted pure duds like Pelech, Irving, Nemisz, Erixon before having no pick.

it will be a lot more painful if this team is screwed in year 3 of the Huberdeau extension vs year 5.

I am very much against trading this year’s first for a rental. Longer term piece I am in but for a guy who will come and go after a single run is only worth it if they win. They gave up a 1st last year and this draft is stacked. I want to add a good prospect who can help be a contributor on the back half of Huberdeau’s contract.

Well it seems we're on the same page. I would much prefer our pick be in play for a multi year signed forward than a pure rental. But I do believe in going all in the next 3 years, this team is on the verge of being elite right now, you don't waste that you push your chips in and swing for the fences for the next few years.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Who cares, though? Button said Kane and Calgary would be a good fit, which gave me reason to talk about it. I’m not using his mention of it to “support” my point, it was just a jumping off point, that’s how conversations work.

You jumped off from ‘Button said Kane and Calgary would be a good fit’ to… uh… where? Oh, yeah, to ‘Kane and Calgary would be a good fit.’ Even though other posters have given plenty of reasons why they wouldn't.

You’re the one who brought up Button’s history even though nobody asked,

What, we have to be asked now before saying things on CP? OK, you set an example by shutting up, because I don't see anyone asking you to post anything.

so if you find yourself annoyed because you’re caught up explaining why you are the way you are, that’s on you my guy.

I'm annoyed because YOU are the way you are. Like this, for instance:

I am weighing your opinions at zero though. But that’s because they’re usually bad

I know a lot of posters on this site think exactly the same of you. But your insult is duly noted. I guess we can add one more to the long, long list of people you're a jerk to.

(Of course, you don't list even a single opinion of mine that is actually bad. I very much doubt you have kept track of my opinions sufficiently to form any cogent judgement on the topic, but hey, who cares about facts when there's a cheap insult to be tossed?)

[Major Major]

Don't think he'd come but all in for Kane please. Winning the Cup with Johnny's hero would be hilarious. Might as well hire Guy as AGM and have him fist pump in the executive box.

[jayswin]

JayRandom do you smoke weed or anything?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

JayRandom do you smoke weed or anything?

Can't. It interacts with a medication I'm on and gives me splitting headaches. Why do you ask?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yes, Mangiapane. At present he's the #2 RW. If you want a new #1, he needs to be better than Toffoli and Mangiapane.

But for 1.4 million, if I follow you, correct?

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm sure there are zillions of wingers out there with cap hits of $1.4 million or less who are better than Toffoli and Mangiapane. It just beats me why Flames' management is too stupid to pick one of them up off the side of the road.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

But for 1.4 million, if I follow you, correct?

Right, since there is a salary cap.

I suppose, strictly speaking, he could cost as much as $2.15 million, since they'd waive a league-minimum player to make room for him.

The thing is, the shortage of good RWs is league-wide. It's the literal mirror image of the 1980s, when the Flames won the Cup with Colin Patterson at LW on the first line, and the Oilers won it twice before they brought in Esa Tikkanen and put him on Gretzky's left. I still remember games when they had Dave Semenko in that spot.

If your biggest weakness is also the weakness of most other contenders, that's not really something to worry about.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Can't. It interacts with a medication I'm on and gives me splitting headaches. Why do you ask?

I get anxious just reading your pages of battles on CP, lol. Wondered if you just use hyperbolic language and paragraphs effortlessly or if you are actually as intense and invested in these arguments as you come across?

And then from there wondered if you do anything to chill and relax in life. You never know if people are the same as they come across online. Nothing personal of course, just genuinely curious.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I get anxious just reading your pages of battles on CP, lol. Wondered if you just use hyperbolic language and paragraphs effortlessly or if you are actually as intense and invested in these arguments as you come across?

I hear you. No, I'm not nearly that intense in person (unless I've just had a big argument with my wife).

Long ago, a friend of mine observed that I argue like a street fighter, where most people argue like boxers. I tend to act as if my life was at stake and my opponent was likely to pull a knife on me. I've actually toned down some since those days, but I still have that weakness.

In this matter, I fear I'm a bit like Dr. Samuel Johnson. Someone once said that a debate with him was like a duel with pistols; and if his pistol misfired, he would just knock you down with the grip.

And then from there wondered if you do anything to chill and relax in life. You never know if people are the same as they come across online.

I do thank you for taking an interest.

[Heavy Jack]

Debate of fit, desire, cost and so on aside… purely from a personnel standpoint, I think Kane is an incredibly good fit for this club and a valuable addition to any team seriously in the hunt to win it all which the Flames seem determined to do in the next 3 to 4 year window.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Kane
Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube
Coleman - Backlund - Toffoli
Lucic - Rooney - Lewis/Ritchie

The key would be cost here and it’s a tricky thing to consider, is Kane who we want to go all in on and for most likely just a 1 year rental?? No question the additional 3 cups and extensive playoff experience would be invaluable to the Flames but the cost makes me wary.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I hear you. No, I'm not nearly that intense in person (unless I've just had a big argument with my wife).

Long ago, a friend of mine observed that I argue like a street fighter, where most people argue like boxers. I tend to act as if my life was at stake and my opponent was likely to pull a knife on me. I've actually toned down some since those days, but I still have that weakness.

In this matter, I fear I'm a bit like Dr. Samuel Johnson. Someone once said that a debate with him was like a duel with pistols; and if his pistol misfired, he would just knock you down with the grip.



I do thank you for taking an interest.

That's a neat explanation, thanks for sharing that. I've always liked a lot of what you say but have been routinely taken aback by how intense and far you're willing to go in a minor argument, lol.