2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Don't hate that idea. Still would prefer Toffoli on
the 3rd with a new 1RW but honestly that may be a pipe dream in season or at least until the deadline

Agreed. Bump talent down, do not fill it up with more 2nd-4th liners. We have been through this with Brouwer, Stewart, Neal, etc..

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Agreed. Bump talent down, do not fill it up with more 2nd-4th liners. We have been through this with Brouwer, Stewart, Neal, etc..

I'm sure there are zillions of wingers out there with cap hits of $1.4 million or less who are better than Toffoli and Mangiapane. It just beats me why Flames' management is too stupid to pick one of them up off the side of the road.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Making those types of trades rarely works out. Gutting the team of top picks and assets.

The thought of Kane is exciting but we also need to plug in cheap players when these extensions kick in, otherwise we are rolling out Milano and Eakin types next season in the top 6.

[Vinny01]

I think if the Flames want any hope of not completely bottoming out in a few years they need to hold onto some picks and hit on those picks. Pelletier, Zary, Coronato hopefully are all players. Wolf and Poirier hitting would be amazing. If the pick is on the table it would have to be for a long term piece coming back.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why you make predictions with such confidence, I’ll never know.

I don’t think Button is an idiot as he’s just guessing at best fit (and Kane is a great fit for us). He probably won’t come here and we probably won’t want to give up the ask to bring him here, but fit wise? Yeah, 100% a great fit.

Well it might have something to do with Kane saying in the past he doesn't want to play in Canada. Last time I checked Calgary was in Canada. So unless he has done an about face since then it is factual . Ya, Button is not an idiot, except he is such a great judge of talent he traded Marc Savard for a B prospect among other bad things. Isn't he the same guy who told the Stars to give Iginla instead of Harvey in the JN trade? Yup, he was. If Button is so brilliant why is he working for TSN instead of working for an actual team?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think if the Flames want any hope of not completely bottoming out in a few years they need to hold onto some picks and hit on those picks. Pelletier, Zary, Coronato hopefully are all players. Wolf and Poirier hitting would be amazing. If the pick is on the table it would have to be for a long term piece coming back.

Yup. We can't move the 2023 pick. We need to add a top talent and even a late pick this draft could be a top line player.

Can't got 2 or 3 years with no #1 picks.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well it might have something to do with Kane saying in the past he doesn't want to play in Canada. Last time I checked Calgary was in Canada. So unless he has done an about face since then it is factual . Ya, Button is not an idiot, except he is such a great judge of talent he traded Marc Savard for a B prospect among other bad things. Isn't he the same guy who told the Stars to give Iginla instead of Harvey in the JN trade? Yup, he was. If Button is so brilliant why is he working for TSN instead of working for an actual team?

Not saying I don't believe you, but I've never heard Kane say he doesn't want to play in Canada. Is there any articles or quotes you can post?

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Yup. We can't move the 2023 pick. We need to add a top talent and even a late pick this draft could be a top line player.

Can't got 2 or 3 years with no #1 picks.

Sure we can. I'd argue we can't afford to not consider trading the 2023 and 2024 1st rounders. Flames aren't going to be drafting a new core at 32nd overall. All the chips should be on the table.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Sure we can. I'd argue we can't afford to not consider trading the 2023 and 2024 1st rounders. Flames aren't going to be drafting a new core at 32nd overall. All the chips should be on the table.

Yep, our contracts are lined up now for this team to bottom out with 2 or 3 huge contracts with players that won't be living up to them a few years ago.

I saw a poster earlier say "we can't give up any more prospects or picks or the team may bottom out". Yep, that's what a lot of us wanted all along. Except now we get to be a contender for a few years, PLUS bottom out and go through a proper rebuild.

We have three elite players in the later years of their prime right now, that is THE time that you go for it as an organization, not hold onto a first that may give you a decent top 6 player 4-5 years from now, instead of picking up say a top line forward that puts you that much closer to winning a cup.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well it might have something to do with Kane saying in the past he doesn't want to play in Canada. Last time I checked Calgary was in Canada. So unless he has done an about face since then it is factual . Ya, Button is not an idiot, except he is such a great judge of talent he traded Marc Savard for a B prospect among other bad things. Isn't he the same guy who told the Stars to give Iginla instead of Harvey in the JN trade? Yup, he was. If Button is so brilliant why is he working for TSN instead of working for an actual team?

Button was working with the Dallas Stars up until 2000. In 1995, Al Coates, was the one who negotiated the Neiuwendyk trade.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Button was working with the Dallas Stars up until 2000. In 1995, Al Coates, was the one who negotiated the Neiuwendyk trade.

Craig Button was head scout for the Dallas Stars. He was the one who told his GM Harvey was the better prospect.

[jayswin]

I mean Coronato was a really good draft pick in 2021 and he may not even factor into the biggest contention years for this new core (2022-2025). If there were mistakes and overspending made with draft picks in relation to this contention window they were made prior to this season, not in the coming years.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well it might have something to do with Kane saying in the past he doesn't want to play in Canada. Last time I checked Calgary was in Canada. So unless he has done an about face since then it is factual . Ya, Button is not an idiot, except he is such a great judge of talent he traded Marc Savard for a B prospect among other bad things. Isn't he the same guy who told the Stars to give Iginla instead of Harvey in the JN trade? Yup, he was. If Button is so brilliant why is he working for TSN instead of working for an actual team?

If I remember correctly, it was Al Coate doing the Newy's trade. And he asked for Harvey but Stars said no, and did Iginla instead.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not saying I don't believe you, but I've never heard Kane say he doesn't want to play in Canada. Is there any articles or quotes you can post?

I will have a look, this was more than a few years ago so maybe I should not say he would not play in Canada now because of how much time has past.

[jayswin]

Button did reportedly try to trade Iginla for Peca. Not sure how legit that rumour is, but man that would have been the worst trade in Flames history.....and yes I'm considering the fact that we already have one of the worst trades in league history on our hands.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Craig Button was head scout for the Dallas Stars. He was the one who told his GM Harvey was the better prospect.

Interesting, where did you read that?

Snip from Athletic article, on the trade.
https://theathletic.com/1906473/2020...?source=player

“Jarome’s name came up pretty quickly,” Button said. “The Calgary Flames were pretty sharp. It became pretty clear as we started discussions that Jarome Iginla was the guy (they wanted) — and it made us uncomfortable. It made us really uncomfortable. But Calgary was pretty adamant.”

In the days leading up to the move, Dallas GM Bob Gainey informed the rest of the department that there were two paths.

Getting a centreman to play behind Mike Modano — and losing Iginla.

Or continuing to hunt for that veteran centreman — and keeping Iginla.

Button remembers Gainey saying: “Both scenarios are going to bring joy and disappointment. It’s incumbent upon us to understand who could have the greater impact on our group at this moment in time. Joe or Jarome Iginla?”

This, in other words, was a right-now decision. To boost the group’s fortunes immediately.

“Once he framed it like that, it was pretty clear where we were going, right?” said Button. “Nobody ever wants to give up a top prospect. Where we were at, we knew that it was a trade we were going to have to make — as painful as it was.”

As in any trade discussions, many options were brought up, including Todd Harvey, who had been the Stars’ first-round draft choice, ninth overall, two years earlier.

One of the great what-if’s for Stars fans is the belief that they could have traded Harvey instead of Iginla in the deal. Those there at the time disagree with that ever being a possibility.

“Bob is a smart guy. If he could have kept Iginla, he would have,” Jackson said. “Harvey was negotiated and talked about, for sure. But when you are talking about getting a player like Joe, you have to give something pretty good to complete that deal.”

“When Al Coates says, ‘You better start talking about Jarome Iginla,’ well, now you start talking about other players — ‘Would this player and this player satisfy you?’” said Button, chuckling. “Al would get back to you, ‘Yeah, when we’re talking about a player like Nieuwendyk, our minds are pretty made up on a player like Jarome Iginla.’ So then you rewind.

“But Al and the Calgary Flames had a solid bead on Jarome Iginla. Try as we might to try to get them off of Jarome Iginla in many different ways … he knew how interested we were in Joe.”

[midniteowl]

It worked out for the Stars, losing Iginla sucks but they won a Cup! If it was the Flames, I'd be jumping for joy instead of grumbling on losing Iginla.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

It worked out for the Stars, losing Iginla sucks but they won a Cup! If it was the Flames, I'd be jumping for joy instead of grumbling on losing Iginla.

Yup, much like the Hull trade.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Interesting, where did you read that?

Snip from Athletic article, on the trade.
https://theathletic.com/1906473/2020...?source=player

I stand corrected, I have always heard the Flames wanted Harvey but were offered Iginla instead as Button thought Harvey was the better prospect.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Yup, much like the Hull trade.

Exactly, that's why I've never grumbled losing Hull. Yeah, he scored a ton of goals but not until he was traded to Dallas under Hitchcock he won a cup.