Your belief about September, 11th, 2001

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Achmed

/\ Simple and rational thought.

I thought it VERY strange when going to LA in late Dec 2000 flying through Seattle that my entire family walked right between the 2 security stations into the secured area by mistake and no one stopped us and turned us around. Once we realized where we were we went back and checked in properly but the security was so lax it's obvious how the terrorsits were able to get themselves in. Takes a special kind of sicko to do what happened 10 years ago.

Takes another special kind of sicko to believe the US government did it all themselves.

I had a very similar incident at Sea-Tac back in the 90s. A friend passed though the metal detector but somehow got lost and wound up outside the secure area. He simply slipped back through the way he accidentally came out of.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Achmed

/\ Simple and rational thought.

I thought it VERY strange when going to LA in late Dec 2000 flying through Seattle that my entire family walked right between the 2 security stations into the secured area by mistake and no one stopped us and turned us around. Once we realized where we were we went back and checked in properly but the security was so lax it's obvious how the terrorsits were able to get themselves in. Takes a special kind of sicko to do what happened 10 years ago.

Takes another special kind of sicko to believe the US government did it all themselves.

Some airports are still like that.

When I was in the Zagreb airport last year, the metal detector went off when I was going through and the officer (they use actual police and not airport security) just made me lift the front of my shirt and each pant leg. When he saw that I didn't have anything there, he just shrugged and let me through. It was actually a welcome change from the rape that usually happens by airport security over here.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

What facts am I ignoring? My views have changed from what I had originally posted in here last year.

Fact is a legit video of a plane hitting the pentagon has not been released. Its reasonable enough to ask why.

just a guess here...but maybe its because there isnt one that clearly shows anything that would make a difference on what actually happened?

Here is a site that has gone step by step to prove it was a 757 that hit the side of that building...and it indisputable.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

beyond that however...in what world of reality would the government need to fire a misile at themselves when there were planes hitting towers in NYC and dropping from the sky in PA? What would the point be and how would they know how to fire a missile that would get confused with an airplane on a day that had everyone seeing with their own two eyes what was happening? It makes abolutely zero sense logically or otherwise that the government would use two seperate methods to attack itself on the same day...a conclusion that would have to be arrived at when you add everything together.

Beyond all that even more...what about the (literally) hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw the whole damn thing go down? To believe any other explanation than the obvious, you would have to believe that everyone of them are lying and have lied without hesitation for a decade now....guys that include former presidential candidates, policemen, ministers, air traffic controllers, and average joes who have zero to gain by supporing what would be the single largest conspiracy in human history.

the whole theory is so freaking ludicrous its absolutely aggravating that there people out there that simply wont/cant accept what happened is..what happened. The evidence is overwhelming, conclusive and, clearly substantiated by experts and by the thousands who witnessed it.

let it go, move on and everyone in the world is better off.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Fact is a legit video of a plane hitting the pentagon has not been released. Its reasonable enough to ask why.

There is a video that has been released. Its reasonable to ask why its hard to see it, at this point your elementary science should kick in and will provide you with a reasonable explanation.

[Cowperson]

Coincidentally in the Calgary Herald today, an examination of the psychology of conspiracy theorists.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/mobile/...483/story.html

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

There is a video that has been released. Its reasonable to ask why its hard to see it, at this point your elementary science should kick in and will provide you with a reasonable explanation.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html

Steve Anderson:Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.


Sean Boger:
Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building." "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building."



Michael DiPaula:
"Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud of black smoke unscathed.


Penny Elgas:
The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building.


Walker Lee Evey:
The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building, said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon's ongoing billion-dollar renovation. The plane penetrated three of the Pentagon's five rings, but was probably stopped from going farther by hundreds of concrete columns. The plane peeled back as it entered, leaving pieces of the front of the plane near the outside of the building and pieces from the rear of the aircraft farther inside, Evey said.


Terrence Kean:
Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window. "I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Also just because some people question the official story doesnt mean they believe every conspiracy to do with the topic.

That's the problem with the 9/11 conspiracy theories though, you pretty much have to believe it all or nothing.

There may be small parts that one person can choose to not accept, but, for example, you can't believe that WTC 1 & 2 fell because of the terrorist attack, but WTC 7 was a controlled demolition.

You can't believe the official story for the WTC attacks but believe the Pentagon was hit by a missile.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html

He seems to ignore eye witness accounts and the fact that first responders at the scene, police and fireman ect..don't seem to care that you can't really see the plane on the released video...and have never mentioned any other reason for the damage.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html

"Michael DiPaula:
"Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud of black smoke unscathed."

The smoking gun! See? See? It couldn't have been a commercial passenger liner because this eyewitness himself says that it sounded like a missile!

How do you explain THAT?! Obviously, this inconsistency in DiPaula's testimony proves that it could not have been a plane.If it had been a plane, then obviously, it would have SOUNDED like a plane!

...I just think everyone should keep an open mind...It could have been a missile...or a big propane tank...or a hot-water heater...

But what is certain is that it was NOT a plane, because the government said it was a plane. Or are you all a bunch of sheeple?

[CaptainCrunch]

Baaahh

[Rhetts_the_Best]

The Anne Coulter book link in the right hand corner turned me away from the page.

[Vulcan]

CBC News HD is playing 9/11 State of Emergency right now. 7PM PDT and again at 10PM.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Conspiracy theorists are ######s. Civil enough?

Perhaps a little harsh, I personally would bundle them with religious people...just low on the IQ level.

Just treat them like little pre-school kids and you'll get amused.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by T@T

Perhaps a little harsh, I personally would bundle them with religious people...just low on the IQ level.

Just treat them like little pre-school kids and you'll get amused.

def not smarter than 6 graders

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by stang

Beerfest can you answer me this?

If the governent DID plan 9/11, and brought down the WTC. Why go through such an elaborate plan for the Pentagon?

Why divert the plane elsewhere, dispose of the people somehow, hide the plane then fire a missle at the pentagon? What purpose does that all serve VS just flying the damn plane into the pentagon?

He can't.

[JonDuke]

I still don't get why people who chose to question suspicious events in life are deemed "conspiracy nuts". With all the lies we are collectively fed every day, maybe more people SHOULD be questioning more.
This is a long thread, and I haven't gone through the entire thing, but here are 2 of my favorite videos that made me question the original story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnzh-EyxKwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCugL8Fpog

I strongly believe 9/11 was an inside job.

[jayswin]

[jayswin]

Do you really want to take this thread right back to square one? Really?

[FlamesAddiction]

I mentioned it earlier, but the only alternative 9/11 theory that I see as plausible is that some higher ups in the U.S. government knew that Al Qaeda were planning a terrorist attack and they allowed it to happen so that they could politicize the event to their advantage. Such a conspiracy would not require a lot of people and would be pretty easy to pull off. You'd just need a few people to put bureaucratric roadblocks.

I'm just saying plausible, not that it is what I believe with certainty. Conspiracy theorists are trying to make things way too complicated. For example, what would be the point of even having controlled detonations at the towers? Like, flying planes into them wouldn't be horrific enough? Why would the government have to risk pulling off an elaborate demolition that would certainly increase the number of people involved? It just doesn't make sense.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I mentioned it earlier, but the only alternative 9/11 theory that I see as plausible is that some higher ups in the U.S. government knew that Al Qaeda were planning a terrorist attack and they allowed it to happen so that they could politicize the event to their advantage. Such a conspiracy would not require a lot of people and would be pretty easy to pull off. You'd just need a few people to put bureaucratric roadblocks.

I'm just saying plausible, not that it is what I believe with certainty. Conspiracy theorists are trying to make things way too complicated. For example, what would be the point of even having controlled detonations at the towers? Like, flying planes into them wouldn't be horrific enough? Why would the government have to risk pulling off an elaborate demolition that would certainly increase the number of people involved? It just doesn't make sense.

Didn't that kind of happen though but more through incompetence and not so much through conspiracy.