2008 College Football Thread

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope...didnt say that at all...but well done.

i said that tonights game is important in that it goes towards making the playoffs...something that todays bowl games as an example...do not do.

Tell that to Georgia Tech. If the score today was flipped they start next season in the top 10 and have a much better shot at playing for a BCS bowl. Since they got killed they probably barely squeeze into the pre-season top 25.

And that doesn't even cover the huge implications on recruiting a strong bowl performance has.

Laughable.

Tell that to Utah this year...Boise St of years past, Auburn just a few years ago.....None of em got a sniff of "being there almost every time". They didnt get a single opportunity to win it all as a matter of fact.

Auburn is your only argument. Utah and Boise St have schedules that many teams could go undefeated with every year.

The problem is that people like you don't understand that winning the national championship isn't the be-all, end-all that you make it out to be.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Are people just in a bitchy mood today? Jesus.

I was responding to a question about why I would watch the Flames game tonight.

And you go off on me.

I never said people didn't have vested interest in the bowl games. I was speaking for myself. I did say earlier there are a lot more people out there like me though. For what its worth.

Oh, and my opinion on NHL hockey vs NCAA football has EVERYTHING to do with why I will watch the Flames play every game this year and why I won't watch a single bowl game until the 8th (if I even watch that one).

Unreal.

My point is that you still watch a hockey game that has almost no impact on deciding the eventual championship, but you boycott all the bowls for that very reason.

As I said in my last post, that's BS anyways. Bowl performance has a huge impact on pre-season rankings for the coming season and has a major impact on deciding the national champion (for better or worse).

Either way, I don't think NCAA football should cater their bowl/playoff system to people who can't simply enjoy two excellent teams playing just because it's not for a championship. I bet you watched every minute of that meaningless Panthers/Giants game two weeks ago though.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by JayP

My point is that you still watch a hockey game that has almost no impact on deciding the eventual championship, but you boycott all the bowls for that very reason.

As I said in my last post, that's BS anyways. Bowl performance has a huge impact on pre-season rankings for the coming season and has a major impact on deciding the national champion (for better or worse).

Either way, I don't think NCAA football should cater their bowl/playoff system to people who can't simply enjoy two excellent teams playing just because it's not for a championship. I bet you watched every minute of that meaningless Panthers/Giants game two weeks ago though.

I don't boycott the bowl games. It's not a stance on principle. I find them extremely boring. I have no vested interest. I watch the Flames...I have a vested interest in every game they play.

I didn't watch a second of the Panthers/Giants game. Why would I?

I also won't watch a minute of the NFL playoffs unless I happen to decide to watch the Steelers. When my team is done, so am I.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't boycott the bowl games. It's not a stance on principle. I find them extremely boring. I have no vested interest. I watch the Flames...I have a vested interest in every game they play.

I didn't watch a second of the Panthers/Giants game. Why would I?

I also won't watch a minute of the NFL playoffs unless I happen to decide to watch the Steelers. When my team is done, so am I.

So then what would attract you to NCAA playoffs if your team was already out?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So then what would attract you to NCAA playoffs if your team was already out?

I don't have a team and I never claimed I would be attracted to a playoff.

I do find the FCS playoffs extremely entertaining and my team is usually in them deeply.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't have a team and I never claimed I would be attracted to a playoff.

I do find the FCS playoffs extremely entertaining and my team is usually in them deeply.

That's kind of my point though. It always seems to be the same group of fans griping for a playoff system (fans of major schools with 1 or 2 loss records that are mad about their team being left out). Most of the mid-major and smaller schools are absolutely delighted to go to bowl games.

Do you think teams like Utah and Boise St would be able to recruit as well as they do if they were getting stomped every year in playoff games against the big guys?

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do you think teams like Utah and Boise St would be able to recruit as well as they do if they were getting stomped every year in playoff games against the big guys?

at least they'd have a shot, and that likely would help.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's kind of my point though. It always seems to be the same group of fans griping for a playoff system (fans of major schools with 1 or 2 loss records that are mad about their team being left out). Most of the mid-major and smaller schools are absolutely delighted to go to bowl games.

Do you think teams like Utah and Boise St would be able to recruit as well as they do if they were getting stomped every year in playoff games against the big guys?

Yes, I do.

Are you telling me they get players they normally wouldn't get because of some meaningless bowl game?

Recruiting, at least for the top players which is who I assume you are referring to, is all about playing time and development. These kids want to get to the NFL, not the Outback Bowl.

[ricoFlame]

Done - Kudos to penn state for not only showing up, but playing great football in the second half. 38-24 SC.

[ricoFlame]

i'm actually looking forward to this orange bowl game. i am amazed at the turnaround of the program at cincy. they'll definitely need to show up vs. the hokies who are a tried and tested bcs program.

[ricoFlame]

oh man, amazing catch by the cincy receiver there to pot 6 on the board early. super start for the bearcats. great stuff.

[transplant99]

You have a twin brother on here..i swear. I wont bother with most of your post...but here...chew on this.

The problem is that people like you don't understand that winning the national championship isn't the be-all, end-all that you make it out to be.

People like me huh? OK then...nice.

If the NC doesn't matter, or it isnt the end all as you claim...why in the hell go through the nonsense of the polls/computers all season to have one? It makes no sense...in fact, why have a pre-season ranking system and then continue to adjust it all year long?

Just play the games and let the committees invite who they wish to their games and be done with it. Why does the BCS even exist in your world? Is it not to have the top 2 teams in the nation play one another...and if so, are you suggesting they always have acheived that?

People like me? Im like the MAJORITY of people in case you haven't noticed. What a pretentious asshat statement.

Ridiculous...and yes im still eating lunch.

[transplant99]

Do you think teams like Utah and Boise St would be able to recruit as well as they do if they were getting stomped every year in playoff games against the big guys?

They could recruit MUCH better if they had a chance at getting into big games every year....what part of that do you disagree with?

In fact...how the hell do they recruit anyone NOW since we know they CANT compete for the ultimate prize?

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They could recruit MUCH better if they had a chance at getting into big games every year....what part of that do you disagree with?

In fact...how the hell do they recruit anyone NOW since we know they CANT compete for the ultimate prize?

this is exactly what i said. i agree fully, recruiting would totally change if the champ from the WAC, MWC, ect. got a spot in a playoff, or however it would work. anyways...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They could recruit MUCH better if they had a chance at getting into big games every year....what part of that do you disagree with?

In fact...how the hell do they recruit anyone NOW since we know they CANT compete for the ultimate prize?

You think kids want to go to a school that is going to get embarassed on a yearly basis in a playoff? Honestly, I know that some of you guys don't care about the smaller bowls but the kids that go to Houston or Utah live for these games.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You think kids want to go to a school that is going to get embarassed on a yearly basis in a playoff? Honestly, I know that some of you guys don't care about the smaller bowls but the kids that go to Houston or Utah live for these games.

everyone is aware of that, and the inclusion of a playoff wouldn't do away with the bowls. The playoff would just include the very best in the country. now wether the playoff included 16, 8 whatever, that still leaves room for a ton of the smaller bowl games for decent teams from all of the conferences to appear in bowl games.

Why does everyone think that if there is a playoff there are no more bowls? you think they'd replace 34 bowl games with 15 or less playoff games? That's 68 teams down to 16, think about it.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You think kids want to go to a school that is going to get embarassed on a yearly basis in a playoff? Honestly, I know that some of you guys don't care about the smaller bowls but the kids that go to Houston or Utah live for these games.

Well then you should tell Utah to turn down the Sugar Bowl and grab a seat in the Roady's Humanitarian Bowl because they live for those games.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by JayP

The problem is that people like you don't understand that winning the national championship isn't the be-all, end-all that you make it out to be.

Oh but it is. Having a playoff system for the top 8 teams wouldn't affect any of the fans of the teams from smaller schools. They would still get their bowl games. Who it would appease is precisely the people who have a problem now fans of the big boys who have a shot at the NC every year. The Floridas, UTs, OUs, USCs, LSUs, OSUs, etc... For those teams the NC is the end all be all. And if you don't think getting to the playoffs would be a huge boon for a team like Utah you are fooling yourself. It would be even bigger than the effect then March Madness had on schools like Gonzaga.

[rubecube]

I will say that the one bonus of having a playoff system would be that it would decrease the amount of blowouts in the regular season. Teams wouldn't feel the need to pile on the points on lesser opponents because style points wouldn't be necessary.

[ricoFlame]

10-7 tech at half. good game.

EDIT: tech played great, cincy's QB didn't. 20-7, the Hokies are the Orange bowl champs.