Parekh named OHL defenseman of the month.....again.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Amit of a CHL playoffs update from Darren Haynes:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906718623001145732

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906720357626867743

the whole group of Flames CHLers (10 in total, including some late rounders and stay at home D- ) are 26 points in 20 games



the 5D combined are a measly 10 pts/10 games
the 5 F are 16 pts /10 games

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lol at people who were calling Gridin a dud/bust because he wasn't dominating the Q enough, or whatever.

[Robbob]

Sounds like UMass and Suniev are done at the Frozen 4 losing to Western Michigan 2-1. Suniev looks like he got ejected for a boarding penalty. Looks like they scored 2 times on that major.

So the question is, do the Flames sign him now that his season is done or back to college for another year? Since he was drafted from the BCHL, would he be eligible for the AHL?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Not Better than 1984:
Player-Games-Points
Roberts- 1224-909
Ranheim - 1013-360
Hull - 1269-1391
Hrdina - 250-130
Suter - 1145-845

Just curious if you also analysed the 1984 draft model-wise and based on draft slot as the actual tweet was about, or just felt like dropping your "ya but" here...

[looooob]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Just curious if you also analysed the 1984 draft model-wise and based on draft slot as the actual tweet was about, or just felt like dropping your "ya but" here...

not sure what the answer is, but either way pretty sure the 84 draft would come up looking pretty darn good (no disrespect to 2024 of course)


1 round 12th overall Roberts 1224 GP, 909 Pts Stanley Cup
2nd round 33rd OV Ken Sabourin 74 GP
2nd round 38th OV Paul Ranheim >1000 GP
6th round 117 OV Brett Hull 1269 GP 741 (!) goals
8th round 159 OV Jiri Hrdina 250 GP 3 stanley cups
9th round 180th OV Gary Suter 1145 gp 845 points, Calder trophy, Stanley cup, highest scoring Dman not in HOF


it's just a stunning draft. here's hoping 2024 approximates it

[Ba'alzamon]

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Guys. He said one of the best. Not the best.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Amit of a CHL playoffs update from Darren Haynes:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906718623001145732

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906720357626867743

Interesting how according to some posters our prospect pool is mid and Flames only chance to get talent is to tank

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Interesting how according to some posters our prospect pool is mid and Flames only chance to get talent is to tank

Elite talent top line talent. No one said our prospects are just mid, they are good.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Interesting how according to some posters our prospect pool is mid and Flames only chance to get talent is to tank

According to prominent analysts like Scott Wheeler at the Athletic the Flames have a mid-ranked prospect base (#13 out of 32). Not just some posters. The depth of the prospect pool is acknowledged. But there’s only one high-end blue-chip prospect, while the higher ranked teams have multiple.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Interesting how according to some posters our prospect pool is mid and Flames only chance to get talent is to tank

Personally, I think the Flames prospect depth is rather healthy. Exceptional on the blueline, and a bit above average on forward.

I've always felt the main criticism was the lack of gamebreakers coming through the pipeline. Right now we have Parekh (and I might even count Wolf as he's still a rookie), and that's about it.

Typically, you only get those players with a top 10 pick (not always, of course).

The Flames may have struck on that unicorn of a draft like Dallas had a little while ago.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Elite talent top line talent. No one said our prospects are just mid, they are good.

And you know for a fact none of the Flames prospects could develop into a top line talent?

Development is not linear, someone like Battaglia who jumped from 65 pts to 90 could develop into a top end player. Coronato just scored 20 goals and very well is already a top 6 player and could become a top line player. Someone like Honzek who has had injuries could still develop into a top line player.

Roope Hintz was drafted 49th in 2015, in his draft +4 year he scored only 9 goals and had 22 pts in 58 games, under your criteria you would have not thought he was a top line talent but here he is now as a 1C on a contender.

Yours and others way of looking at prospects is flawed. Development is not something you can quantify on a graph and perfectly predict how player A is going to turn out. These are young men who are just beginning to scratch the surface of their abilities, to say there is no top line prospect in the Flames system is not a fact just like how you do not need a top 5 pick to find top end forwards.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

According to prominent analysts like Scott Wheeler at the Athletic the Flames have a mid-ranked prospect base (#13 out of 32). Not just some posters. The depth of the prospect pool is acknowledged. But there’s only one high-end blue-chip prospect, while the higher ranked teams have multiple.

Im going to take it a step further, but this is the EXACT reason I for one wanted them to tank this season.
We have a great prospect pool depth wise. Tons of talent, interesting wingers, offensive d men, good goalies in the pipe after Wolf.
We are absolutely desperately in need of a top line C prospect. We are bereft of C prospects in general, but especially ones with high end potential.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Beninho

And you know for a fact none of the Flames prospects could develop into a top line talent?

Development is not linear, someone like Battaglia who jumped from 65 pts to 90 could develop into a top end player. Coronato just scored 20 goals and very well is already a top 6 player and could become a top line player. Someone like Honzek who has had injuries could still develop into a top line player.

Roope Hintz was drafted 49th in 2015, in his draft +4 year he scored only 9 goals and had 22 pts in 58 games, I bet you no one thought he was a top line talent but here he is now as a 1C on a contender.

Hintz is awesome, but the team also has Wyatt Johnston and Duchene/Tyler Seguin playing center with Hintz. Hintz isn't going to be a successful top line center as the only one on the team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Beninho

And you know for a fact none of the Flames prospects could develop into a top line talent?

Development is not linear, someone like Battaglia who jumped from 65 pts to 90 could develop into a top end player. Coronato just scored 20 goals and very well is already a top 6 player and could become a top line player. Someone like Honzek who has had injuries could still develop into a top line player.

Roope Hintz was drafted 49th in 2015, in his draft +4 year he scored only 9 goals and had 22 pts in 58 games, under your criteria you would have not thought he was a top line talent but here he is now as a 1C on a contender.

I wouldn't consider Hintz a star player. He is a really good player, but he is also allowed to succeed because they have surrounded him with a bunch more as well.

Having a deep prospect base is great, and we do but depth needs that star talent.

Right now we have 1. Could some of them surprise, they sure can but it's a longshot as well.

Dallas got lucky; they are not a model.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hintz is awesome, but the team also has Wyatt Johnston and Duchene/Tyler Seguin playing center with Hintz. Hintz isn't going to be a successful top line center as the only one on the team.

And Wyatt Johnston was drafted 23rd, so we agree that the argument for tanking is dumb and that a good team can develop top end players outside the top 5 of the draft

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I wouldn't consider Hintz a star player. He is a really good player, but he is also allowed to succeed because they have surrounded him with a bunch more as well.

Having a deep prospect base is great, and we do but depth needs that star talent.

Right now we have 1. Could some of them surprise, they sure can but it's a longshot as well.

Dallas got lucky; they are not a model.

You don’t get lucky, you draft and then you develop. A good franchise knows how to do both. Dallas did not get lucky, they made their luck.

What model should the Flames be looking at? Edmonton? Jesus

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Beninho

And Wyatt Johnston was drafted 23rd, so we agree that the argument for tanking is dumb and that a good team can develop top end players outside the top 5 of the draft

*In a historically strange draft where we essentially didn't get to watch any of the prospects play for the whole year in advance*

LOL we do not agree, at all!

Yeah, there are Brayden Points out there, but you're advocating for essentially a less odds version of the same type of "lottery" that the tankers are arguing for. If you tank, you have more chance to get that player. If you don't, you have an infinitesimal chance of getting one. You still could, it's just very, very unlikely.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You don’t get lucky, you draft and then you develop. A good franchise knows how to do both. Dallas did not get lucky, they made their luck.

If you don't think luck is involved not sure what to tell you. You don't make your luck winning a draft lottery.

The Flames have done a good job developing players as well, what they need is the elite players now.

Johnston was also taken in a covid draft that teams didn't have a lot of viewings in, that type of pick is rare.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You don’t get lucky, you draft and then you develop. A good franchise knows how to do both. Dallas did not get lucky, they made their luck.

They kind of got lucky when they moved up from 8th to 3rd. in that draft, the players available/drafted 8-10 were Mittelstadt, Rasmussen, and Tippett. The next 2 Dmen were Foote and Brannstrom.

Going from Heiskanen to one of those kind of changes things for sure.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Beninho

And you know for a fact none of the Flames prospects could develop into a top line talent?

Development is not linear, someone like Battaglia who jumped from 65 pts to 90 could develop into a top end player. Coronato just scored 20 goals and very well is already a top 6 player and could become a top line player. Someone like Honzek who has had injuries could still develop into a top line player.

Roope Hintz was drafted 49th in 2015, in his draft +4 year he scored only 9 goals and had 22 pts in 58 games, under your criteria you would have not thought he was a top line talent but here he is now as a 1C on a contender.

Yours and others way of looking at prospects is flawed. Development is not something you can quantify on a graph and perfectly predict how player A is going to turn out. These are young men who are just beginning to scratch the surface of their abilities, to say there is no top line prospect in the Flames system is not a fact just like how you do not need a top 5 pick to find top end forwards.

I think the point isn't to trash our prospect group, it's to point out that they still need to spend more time drafting and developing. They can't move forward thinking they're ready to win now with what they have. If one of your Battaglias becomes a star that's a bonus, not an expectation.