[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[Heavy Jack]

Not sure what you’re on about; still a month clear of the deadline and Conroy has trade 3 of the 5 UFAs so far with decisions on the remaining two seemingly imminent. Conroy has been anything but indecisive and the Lindy deal is a shining example of that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yeah, that's what I said. I said don't sign anyone. Let's have a roster with zero players. You captured my argument perfectly.

Since 1979 is apparently ancient history around here, lets use the last smooth skating defenceman the Flames let walk in T.J. Brodie. At 33 he's been trending down hard. Why isn't modern medicine saving him?

Brodie is still playing over 21 minutes a game. He's also not trending down. He hasn't had a good offensive year since 2018/19. He's been flat since then.

Brodie's problem was that he had some of the skills of top pairing defencemen but just wasn't very good in that role, unless paired with Norris calibre partner. He's a complimentary player, not a difference maker. Always has been. Flames fans weren't especially upset to lose him, because we knew how incomplete of a player he was. TML favs got excited at first, but that was always going to be temporary.

There's a reason why Brodie always signed middling contracts. He's currently at the end of a 4 years and $5 million contract. Probably just about right for what he brings. He's not an eight year guy. Once again, a bit of an apples and oranges scenario.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Not sure what you’re on about; still a month clear of the deadline and Conroy has trade 3 of the 5 UFAs so far with decisions on the remaining two seemingly imminent. Conroy has been anything but indecisive and the Lindy deal is a shining example of that.

Unless Vancouver wins a cup, Conroy may have already won the TDL. He's brought back a haul.

[Nelson]

I bet it’s the 8 year, 60 million dollar contract that Hanifin didn’t sign at the beginning of the year. If Hanifin signs that, I think that would be a fine decision for the organization. Boomer went over a bunch of comparables yesterday on Barn Burner, and they made me think 7-7.5 per year would be pretty reasonable, actually, especially with the cap about to rise so much.

I still don’t believe Hanifin will sign because he wouldn’t sign that contract initially, and it’s long been rumoured he wants to play in the US.

But if he will, great. If he won’t, they have to trade him. I think that’s obvious. And I’d hold him out from the time he first gave them the decision not to sign.

[Toonage]

He's substantially better than Nurse and would be making substantially less. Thats a big win IMO.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by blankall

5 years? That also includes all the players that aren't NHL calibre. This article is BS. Part way through it admits that good players average 12 years and bad players average 1 year, bit then tries to hyper focus on injuries as the culprit.

Top defencemen don't even typically reach their prime until their late twenties or even early thirties.

Hanifin also plays a style of game that isn't especially hard on the body. He has no nagging injury issues.

Hanifin will almost certainly be at his current or better level for another 4-6 years, and still serviceable as a top 4 after that. As far as long term veteran contracts go, that puts him in the very low risk category.

Hanifin, barring an unforeseen injury, is a good bet. About as good as these 7-8 year vet contracts can be

I think there's a very high chance this is correct and his best is still ahead of him. He has been playing his best hockey this year and is still improving.

If the Flames do trade him, I expect we see another J Bo or Hamilton where he goes on to be an important top pairing guy on a good team.
If the right offer is there take it, but don't sell him low as we'll all be watching that play out as a massive trade fail if we do.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Not sure what you’re on about; still a month clear of the deadline and Conroy has trade 3 of the 5 UFAs so far with decisions on the remaining two seemingly imminent. Conroy has been anything but indecisive and the Lindy deal is a shining example of that.

This is about Hanifin. While I applaud Conroy for the Lindholm trade, the process was similar. Contract on the table, contract off the table, contract on the table, contract off the table. Seeing and hearing this stuff does not give one confidence there is a plan in place. It is indicative of flying by the seat of one's pants, which is what the previous manager did to get us in this position in the first place. There should have been a contract put in front of the player with a firm date for having a signature on it. Hearing this stuff about the team giving the player more time to decide, when they've had half a season to decide, is weak. Control the situation. This team has a history of not doing so.

I liked how Conroy handled Toffoli. How he handled Toffoli was how he should have handled all of the UFAs to be. Not part of the plan? You're out of here. Don't want to commit to the team? You're out of here. If Hanifin hasn't put his signature on a contract by now, ship him out. Get it done and quite ##### footing around.

[Royle9]

I think my issue with this is that the balls been in Noah's court since the summer when he made it clear he was more interested in playing in the U.S after this boys left.

Now after much meddling and offers, he's back to being wishy washy on the whole situation which to mean screams the guy really doesn't 'want' to be here but if Calgary offers him a boat load of money that he doesn't think he'll get elsewhere then he'll sign it.

You either want to be here or you don't, you've known this day was coming for months now... lets decide please.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This is about Hanifin. While I applaud Conroy for the Lindholm trade, the process was similar. Contract on the table, contract off the table, contract on the table, contract off the table. Seeing and hearing this stuff does not give one confidence there is a plan in place. It is indicative of flying by the seat of one's pants, which is what the previous manager did to get us in this position in the first place. There should have been a contract put in front of the player with a firm date for having a signature on it. Hearing this stuff about the team giving the player more time to decide, when they've had half a season to decide, is weak. Control the situation. This team has a history of not doing so.

I liked how Conroy handled Toffoli. How he handled Toffoli was how he should have handled all of the UFAs to be. Not part of the plan? You're out of here. Don't want to commit to the team? You're out of here. If Hanifin hasn't put his signature on a contract by now, ship him out. Get it done and quite ##### footing around.

Not sure that's the read I have on things.

Sounds like contract on table for both players and that was it. Not off, on, off ... not moving numbers. Offer on table.

Then a price tag to move the player and if it's met you trade him.

I don't see indecision at all.

The guy has moved on from 3 and signed 1 of the 6 key UFAs. He's 67% done which is a great pace with the trade deadline 4 weeks away.

[Flames1217]

This is a possible life changing decision for Noah, it's normal that he is taking his time.

Can you imagine if you had to sign a 7 year deal at your job? I would certainly take my good ole time too.

[iloveicedhockey]

I'm pretty sure we did hear that conny gave hanifin a date to decide by (end of allstar), which for all we know Noah has abided by. It could be that there are finer details to iron out (NTC, bonus structure) if the answer was positive, or it could be that we are now soliciting serious offers from other teams.

You seem quite angry now the rumours have swung to resigning, which is fine. The rest is just speculation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure that's the read I have on things.

Sounds like contract on table for both players and that was it. Not off, on, off ... not moving numbers. Offer on table.

Then a price tag to move the player and if it's met you trade him.

I don't see indecision at all.

The guy has moved on from 3 and signed 1 of the 6 key UFAs. He's 67% done which is a great pace with the trade deadline 4 weeks away.

He said he had a number and wasn’t willing to go over it. Knew in September that Lindholm would be traded at some point.

I don’t get these made up scenarios people have and saying Conroy has no plan.

Doesn’t seem like a back and forth with Hanifin either. They want to sign him and have an offer. He either says no and is traded or he signs. Doesn’t sound like much negotiations are happening numbers etc.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I'd rather have a nimble and agile manager who can respond to changing circumstances appropriately to maximize value, while sticking to a general plan of action for team building. What you don't want is someone so fixed in their thinking or position on what the right choice is that they never see good opportunities arise or re-evaluate their initial choices. That's how you end up with Treliving trading a first and a 2 seconds for Travis Hamonic.

[Goriders]

It’ll be nice to get the drama over with.

I hope Hanifin signs. Indifferent on Tanev and Markstrom as they are both quite old. But both are playing well.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So sick of indecision by this team. It's well beyond #### or get off the pot time. If Hanifin wants to be here, sign the ####ing contract. Otherwise, trade him and move forward. Display some control over these situations for the first time in a very long time.

LOL. "Indecision" is just an excuse to feel outraged about things you want to happen, but aren't happening fast enough for your liking.

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[Robbob]

Yeah, Conroy is playing this masterfully. I didn't expect Lindholm or any of the other players to be settled until around the trade deadline day. If anything, he is ahead of schedule.

[Moneyhands23]

I still am hoping for a sign and trade.

[GioforPM]

Even if Hanifin missed a "deadline", you don't just say "OK, now he's being traded for sure". That just drives the price down. Saying he still might be extended keeps the bidding teams on their toes.

You don't trade him until you have a deal you like. Until then your options are open.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’ll be nice to get the drama over with.

It’s entirely media/fan generated drama, so it could really just end whenever.

People are making up things to get mad or frustrated about. Whether it’s indecision or Hanifin declaring he doesn’t want to be here, it’s 0% based on any actual knowledge, it’s just people making stuff up and then waving their hands around about it.

It’s pretty funny.

[Heavy Jack]

Markstrom to me is a deadline deal if it happens this year, he’s got 2 years of term and there is risk there because the flames would want a lot back and for good reason. It has desperation trade written all over it and I think will depend on a number of factors.

- are the flames in the playoff mix at the deadline?
- are teams in the mix that needed a goalie still in the mix and needing a goalie?
- Marky willing to moved depending on the first point, it’s a tight group and if they’re in the mix it’s in large part to Marky’s play.

I’m leaning to Marky getting done during the off-season. Tanev will be traded and I’m more than fine with extending Hanifin.

If anything else happened after those players in question I think it’s for a hockey trade that makes the team better in Conroys eyes. Super impressive start for Craig, proud of him.