[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I'm out here on Vancouver Island and listening to the Vancouver talking heads the hope is that Zadorov can take some of the minutes away from Tyler Myers (i.e. push Myers down to the 3rd pairing).

Zadarov will be Badarov if he is playing top 4 minutes regularly

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Zadarov will be Badarov if he is playing top 4 minutes regularly

Which is a big reason I wasn't looking for this trade. Thankfully it cost a lot less than I expected the Flames would go for, but I look at Zadorov and I just see a slightly less Myersy Myers

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well he's a LH shot so I don't see that happening.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The hope is that Zadorov steps in and fills the void left by the injured Soucy. which pushes Myers back to the bottom pairing on the short term.
When Soucy is back, I think the team is hoping for:


Hronek - Hughes
Soucy - Cole
Zadorov - Myers
Friedman
Juulsen





I think a lot of teams were probably interested. I don't think many teams were offering to pay much.

It wasn't about not offering much, it turns out only one team offered the desired currency

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It wasn't about not offering much, it turns out only one team offered the desired currency

Correct. Canucks offered the flexibility. If that's what you covet, you take it. Cap space can be used for a lot of things. A majority of which is better than a UFA defenseman who has told you he doesn't want to play for you. The only thing the Flames can't do with it is nothing, and this will likely be an improvement on what they had.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Which is a big reason I wasn't looking for this trade. Thankfully it cost a lot less than I expected the Flames would go for, but I look at Zadorov and I just see a slightly less Myersy Myers

Good post. Grounded take, and most Flames fans who have watched the player would agree with this assessment.

Felt redundant to me with Myers already there (less of a liability than Myers though), and definitely a guy you want to keep out of your top 4 for any stretch of time. Pretty good #5 option though. Will inject life into games when it's needed with a hit or puck rush.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Which is a big reason I wasn't looking for this trade. Thankfully it cost a lot less than I expected the Flames would go for, but I look at Zadorov and I just see a slightly less Myersy Myers

I am going to laugh so hard if they sign him to a 5x5 or something similar and they basically just replace Myers with the same

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by devo22

yeah Conroy talking about the value of having all three retention spots gives me hope. Based on the Flames' history, it's easy to be cynical about this, but I'm willing to give Conroy and the team the benefit of the doubt here. If they are willing to retain salary for all of Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev, it makes the return more stomachable.

Really hoped for a 2nd, but a 3rd and a 5th isn't that bad in a nutshell in a deal without salary retention. What irks me is the fact that the 3rd is so far down the road, but I guess they'll have opportunities to add more 2024 and 2025 picks between now and the deadline.

I don’t think it’s just the retention slots.
Added to it is projected 5m in cap space at the deadline.
The two together means the flames have the option to be a 3rd party that scoops a pick in some other teams’ transaction.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Good post. Grounded take, and most Flames fans who have watched the player would agree with this assessment.

Felt redundant to me with Myers already there (less of a liability than Myers though), and definitely a guy you want to keep out of your top 4 for any stretch of time. Pretty good #5 option though. Will inject life into games when it's needed with a hit or puck rush.

Soucy will be back in about two weeks, assuming to set back. I can suffer through Zadorov in the top four until then. As 5/6 guy, I have no issue with the cost to acquire him. It's not redundant as to this point in the season the Canucks have only ever had 5 nhl calibre above replacement level players on their roster. Say what you will about Myers, in a 5/6 role he has been heaps better than Friedman and Juulsen. This gives them six when Soucy is healthy.



However if this happens:

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am going to laugh so hard if they sign him to a 5x5 or something similar and they basically just replace Myers with the same

I'll weep like a baby, screaming to the heavens why god why.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am going to laugh so hard if they sign him to a 5x5 or something similar and they basically just replace Myers with the same

I have a feeling that Zadorov is going to test free agency no matter what. Maybe he sees what's out there and then circles back to Vancouver like he did with the Flames once he realized the market was crap, but I think he will try go to the U.S. It was reported that he is part way through the American citizenship process, but he needs to reside in the U.S. to actually complete it.

Of course, maybe he could reside in Point Roberts and commute to work. I think that is what Torts did when he coached in Vancouver.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have a feeling that Zadorov is going to test free agency no matter what. Maybe he sees what's out there and then circles back to Vancouver like he did with the Flames once he realizes the market was crap, but I think he will try go to the U.S. It was reported that he is part way through the American citizenship process, but he needs to reside in the U.S. to actually complete it.

Of course, maybe he could reside in Point Roberts and commute to work. I think that is what Torts did when he coached in Vancouver.

He'll sign with Van if they offer him term and money. He wanted to sign with the Flames

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think that is what Torts did when he coached in Vancouver.

Quite a few American players and staff have done that over the years.

[dino7c]

This is what I don't get about Zadorov's trade request like what contending team is playing him top 4? Flames win Saturday and the Canucks are 6 points up on the Flames having already played SJ 3 times and having played more games.

The Canucks are not contenders, they have done a good job at beating bad teams for the most part but have struggled against playoff teams.

Zadorov is not gonna get the exposure he was looking for IMO

[RobotTalk]

After sleeping on it, I'm of the view that this was a decent trade. Although the return wasn't quite what I'd hoped as I thought Zadorov's unique blend of size, physicality and straight line skating ability would bump up his value, it is pretty consistent with what one would expect for a third pairing dman. We'd likely have gotten more if we'd retained or taken salary back, but it was a smart strategic move to save the retention spots and open up some cap space.

Ideally, we use the retention spots and cap space to get better returns on the big 3 UFAs through retained salary and taking money back when their value is highest (i.e. near the trade deadline).

Having that cap space now also allows the Flames to call up additional prospects over the remainder of the season to see if they're full time NHLers. That's going to be huge in the off season when Conroy is trying to put together a roster for next season - he should have a good idea whether Solovoyov or Poirier can be slotted in to replace 2/3 open d-spots or if he needs to acquire players in free agency.

Also - for those saying Edwards won't let the Flames retain salary because they haven't done it in the past, he did regularly let the team bury one-way contracts in the AHL to get under the cap when that was allowed.

[SuperMatt18]

I fully expect Zadorov to go on a heater for the this 5-10 games with the Canucks though and for it to be deemed the worst trade ever.

I can't recall a recent Flames trade where that didn't happen...

James Neal...The Real Steal!
Bennett...
Tkachuk...
Toffoli...

Seems to be the new norm that when the Flames trade you that you go on a shooting percentage bender right after. I think even Monahan got off to a really hot start last season.

[dino7c]

Yeah probably lol

[AC]

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

How the f does he have his own branding. That's silly.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I hope that Zadorov goes on a heater. Hopefully that translates into a long-term high cap hit deal for him and the Canucks. Any heat thrown Conroy's way will quickly evaporate at some point next season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I hope that Zadorov goes on a heater. Hopefully that translates into a long-term high cap hit deal for him and the Canucks. Any heat thrown Conroy's way will quickly evaporate at some point next season.

might increase the value of other guys too

Flames players being held back ect.