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GioforPM · 04-11-2022, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

Personally I believe Kucherov could have played in the regular season as well (my opinion)

Sounds like Vegas are trying to create space to activate Mark Stone,

I would be really curious to see how that's even possible

Kucherov maybe sat a week or two while fully healthy. He was ahead of his estimated recovery. And TB never traded for an Eichel (or whatever Eichel was h supposed to be). At most they gave raises to some guys that they couldn’t afford otherwise. And if they had to they could have sold off Tyler Johnson anyway.

Jay Random · 04-12-2022, 04:06 PM

At this point, Vegas would need to place players on LTIR retroactively, as there are no longer 10 games or 24 days left in the regular season. Reilly, Howden, Hague, and Bischoff are already on LTIR. The Knights have no players on normal IR.

flambers · 04-12-2022, 05:02 PM

Article on TSN states Mark Stone is a game time decision

OptimalTates · 04-12-2022, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That would make 7 players on LTIR, with Stone coming off. I looked at Capfriendly and couldn't find any other potentially playoff-bound teams with more than 2-3.

The NHL is a joke.

Not really sure what that means to you. LTIR is a use-it-if-you-need-it tool though. Landeskog has been out over a month, missed more than ten games, never been on LTIR because the Avs didn't need it. Similarly with Murray. Krug has missed over ten already with the Blues. Dumba just missed his tenth with the Wild. A lot of smaller cap-hit players would be eligible too like Johansson in Florida. None of them were placed on LTIR despite all being eligible obviously. The team's just didn't need it.

LA has Doughty (shut down for season), Brown and Athanasiou on IR (for the roster spot pre-trade deadline) but none have yet made it to the LTIR to accompany Walker and Anderson because it's a paper transaction that won't matter.

There's several non-playoff teams dealing with a number of injuries, like the entirety of Arizona's roster being injured right now or Flyers missing their top two centers and top defenseman among several injuries early in the season which is why they were out of the race so early.

Vegas in particular has had their top player sidelined for months as they desperately fought for a playoff spot. If he was ready to play before tonight, and the Knights are up to something shady, they would have already enacted that shady plan. But Howden was taken off in a stretcher, two other players are healthy scratch level players being replaced by healthy scratch level players of the same cap-hit. Smith's injury was fortuitous for cap reasons but it happened before the deadline anyways. Patrick Nolan being injured at this point is less surprising then him being healthy. So the only conspiracy-level injury we have at this point I think is Brossoit.

dino7c · 04-12-2022, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Not really sure what that means to you. LTIR is a use-it-if-you-need-it tool though. Landeskog has been out over a month, missed more than ten games, never been on LTIR because the Avs didn't need it. Similarly with Murray. Krug has missed over ten already with the Blues. Dumba just missed his tenth with the Wild. A lot of smaller cap-hit players would be eligible too like Johansson in Florida. None of them were placed on LTIR despite all being eligible obviously. The team's just didn't need it.

LA has Doughty (shut down for season), Brown and Athanasiou on IR (for the roster spot pre-trade deadline) but none have yet made it to the LTIR to accompany Walker and Anderson because it's a paper transaction that won't matter.

There's several non-playoff teams dealing with a number of injuries, like the entirety of Arizona's roster being injured right now or Flyers missing their top two centers and top defenseman among several injuries early in the season which is why they were out of the race so early.

Vegas in particular has had their top player sidelined for months as they desperately fought for a playoff spot. If he was ready to play before tonight, and the Knights are up to something shady, they would have already enacted that shady plan. But Howden was taken off in a stretcher, two other players are healthy scratch level players being replaced by healthy scratch level players of the same cap-hit. Smith's injury was fortuitous for cap reasons but it happened before the deadline anyways. Patrick Nolan being injured at this point is less surprising then him being healthy. So the only conspiracy-level injury we have at this point I think is Brossoit.

Martinez in full practice for 3 months before coming off LTIR seemed a little shady.

OptimalTates · 04-12-2022, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Martinez in full practice for 3 months before coming off LTIR seemed a little shady.

Smith got injured in February. He was put on LTIR late March when Martinez was ready to go. They could have put him on LTIR in February if Martinez was ready.

Nevermind it was March 8, 2022. Still took them almost 20 days to put him on it. Several games a healthy Martinez could have played in, no?

dino7c · 04-12-2022, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Smith got injured in February. He was put on LTIR late March when Martinez was ready to go. They could have put him on LTIR in February if Martinez was ready.

Nevermind it was March 8, 2022. Still took them almost 20 days to put him on it. Several games a healthy Martinez could have played in, no?

February whatever plus 10 games before he could go on LTIR

Martinez was practicing in January. I am not saying they broke any rules by the letter of the law...just that the law is too easy to skirt and needs to be changed.

OptimalTates · 04-12-2022, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

February whatever plus 10 games before he could go on LTIR

Martinez was practicing in January. I am not saying they broke any rules by the letter of the law...just that the law is too easy to skirt and needs to be changed.

No. You can place a player on LTIR once injured. He must be shut down for 10 games or 24 days to be activated.

Monahan was on LTIR the same day they announced he was shutting down despite playing in the Flames previous game.

Hemi-Cuda · 04-13-2022, 11:15 AM

This is amazing

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Infinit47 · 04-13-2022, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kucherov maybe sat a week or two while fully healthy. He was ahead of his estimated recovery. And TB never traded for an Eichel (or whatever Eichel was h supposed to be). At most they gave raises to some guys that they couldn’t afford otherwise. And if they had to they could have sold off Tyler Johnson anyway.

They waited until December for him to have his surgery so it lined up with a return for the playoffs. Pretty convenient.

GordonBlue · 04-13-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

February whatever plus 10 games before he could go on LTIR

Martinez was practicing in January. I am not saying they broke any rules by the letter of the law...just that the law is too easy to skirt and needs to be changed.

except the GMs don't want to change it.
If the league and teams and PA are happy with how it's working, why would it need to be changed?

GioforPM · 04-13-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Infinit47

They waited until December for him to have his surgery so it lined up with a return for the playoffs. Pretty convenient.

Sure. But that entailed going without their best player for a full year. Vegas is playing mix and match, and did so in order to add what they thought would be an elite centre.