2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This is a fair point, I would cringe to trade Lindy but for Point it might be worth it. Is it worth it for ~2 mil in cap space for the Lightening? harder to say but maybe.

Lindholm and Tkachuk are untouchable on our roster IMO. But that's my preference.

Lindholm for Point is interesting for both teams.

Flames get the hometown player who has been more successful and is a year younger. Lindholm appears to be on a steady rise as he hits his prime. It has not be uncommon for Swedes to hit their stride in the 25-33 age range. Look at Backlund, Naslund and the Sedins as examples.

Where this makes some sense for Tampa is the fact they save $1.9M over the next 2 years but also get an additional 2 years of cost certainty where Point is likely going to push for 9-10M in 2 years when his deal is up.

I am a big Lindholm fan and hope the Flames hold onto both he and Tkachuk.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm for Point is interesting for both teams.

Flames get the hometown player who has been more successful and is a year younger. Lindholm appears to be on a steady rise as he hits his prime. It has not be uncommon for Swedes to hit their stride in the 25-33 age range. Look at Backlund, Naslund and the Sedins as examples.

Where this makes some sense for Tampa is the fact they save $1.9M over the next 2 years but also get an additional 2 years of cost certainty where Point is likely going to push for 9-10M in 2 years when his deal is up.

I am a big Lindholm fan and hope the Flames hold onto both he and Tkachuk.

Also, the Flames would have to add a significant +

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Also, the Flames would have to add a significant +

Agreed which is another reason I steer clear of that deal as much as I do want Point on the team

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames should offer futures for Point.

2020 1st
2021 1st
Pelletier

Then if they do sign Hall they can trade Johnny to recover some (or all) of the futures lost acquiring Point.

Obviously the Bolts would rather keep Point, but like I said earlier he's one of only two big ticket forwards without full trade protection, Kucherov being the other.

They'd still have Stamkos, Cirelli, Gourde, Johnson and Coleman who can all play center to make up for the loss of Point.

If they won't play ball then you offer sheet Cirelli.

6 x $5,200,000 - That works out to $6,240,000 AAV for offer sheet compensation which would be a 2021 1st and a 2021 3rd.

Tkachuk - Point - Mangiapane
Hall - Monahan - Lindholm

or

Hall - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Cirelli - Mangiapane

Backlund as the 3C where he should be.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

For Cirella I don't think they can even go to 4.25 which would only cost a 2nd round pick. I don't think I would want to go past that price point because I think 6 is too expensive for him. People here hate Monahan and Backlund on their contracts...

I have seen plenty of complaints about Backlund's deal, but this is the first I recall any suggestion that Monahan has a bad contract. Are there people who actually think this?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames should offer futures for Point.

2020 1st
2021 1st
Pelletier

Then if they do sign Hall they can trade Johnny to recover some (or all) of the futures lost acquiring Point.

Obviously the Bolts would rather keep Point, but like I said earlier he's one of only two big ticket forwards without full trade protection, Kucherov being the other.

They'd still have Stamkos, Cirelli, Gourde, Johnson and Coleman who can all play center to make up for the loss of Point.

If they won't play ball then you offer sheet Cirelli.

6 x $5,200,000 - That works out to $6,240,000 AAV for offer sheet compensation which would be a 2021 1st and a 2021 3rd.

Tkachuk - Point - Mangiapane
Hall - Monahan - Lindholm

or

Hall - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Cirelli - Mangiapane

Backlund as the 3C where he should be.

I would definitely make that deal if I am the Flames but I wonder what the state of the blueline would be? It is why I think it is tough to add Hall while keeping Gaudreau that is essentially what you are doing.


One player that I wonder of he could become trade bait is Mangipane? I think he is a guy that can score 25 goals and 50pts. Treliving played hardball last summer and squeezed him in and Mangipane made the leap to top 6 forward.

Would he be the type of player the Flames would put in a package deal for an upgrade somewhere on the roster. Say replacing Pelletier with Mangipane so the Bolts get an instant contributor who they can likely sign for 3-4 years at roughly $3M per

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have seen plenty of complaints about Backlund's deal, but this is the first I recall any suggestion that Monahan has a bad contract. Are there people who actually think this?

There are some who believe Monahan is among the worst #1C's in the entire league.

Then you point out that since Monahan entered the league in 2013/14 he has scored the 15th most goals out of any forward in the league, and the 7th most goals out of any center in the league....but those people are quick to dismiss that as him just riding the coat tails of Gaudreau.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

There are some who believe Monahan is among the worst #1C's in the entire league.

Then you point out that since Monahan entered the league in 2013/14 he has scored the 15th most goals out of any forward in the league, and the 7th most goals out of any center in the league....but those people are quick to dismiss that as him just riding the coat tails of Gaudreau.

The Monahan dissent makes me feel dumber every time I read the posts trashing Monahan. Drives me nuts. Effects me more than it should.

And the trade proposals.....ugh.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder if there would be any way the Bolts would trade Kucherov?

Lindholm, Pelletier, 1st for Kucherov?

They'd save $4,650,000 in cap space while replacing Kucherov with a pretty good player in Lindholm. Obviously it's a downgrade but that's life when you're cap strapped and that's what Pelletier and the 1st are there for too.

[Freeway]

Pals, I love the creativity, but remember:
Flat cap for next two seasons, then going up at most $1m (e.g., $82.5m in 2022-23)
Mangiapane and Dube need raises.


Adding significant cap without immediately sending some out of town is probably a non-starter.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if there would be any way the Bolts would trade Kucherov?

Lindholm, Pelletier, 1st for Kucherov?

They'd save $4,650,000 in cap space while replacing Kucherov with a pretty good player in Lindholm. Obviously it's a downgrade but that's life when you're cap strapped and that's what Pelletier and the 1st are there for too.

Just what we need, trade our only RHed forward for another lefty.

I like Kucherov and all but come on.

I know we also have Ryan but he’s an older bottom 6 guy.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Just what we need, trade our only RHed forward for another lefty.

I like Kucherov and all but come on.

I know we also have Ryan but he’s an older bottom 6 guy.

Handedness doesn't matter Kucherov plays RW and come on guy is that really going to stop you from adding a guy who put up 128 points last year and won the Hart?? Wasn't a fluke either, he was on pace for 100 agian this year.

Not the opposition I was expecting when I posted that haha

[dammage79]

I wouldn't trade Lindholm for anyone. I think he was always destined to be a Flame. And the Flames would lose their most well rounded player. I would say their best player. No one does it all like he does on the team. No one. Leading goal scorer? Check. Mainstay on PP and PK? Check. Plays Center and RW? Check check. Best value contract of the bunch? Check all day long.

[nik-]

Lindholm is right behind Tkachuk as an untradable on this team imo

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Handedness doesn't matter Kucherov plays RW and come on guy is that really going to stop you from adding a guy who put up 128 points last year and won the Hart?? Wasn't a fluke either, he was on pace for 100 agian this year.

Not the opposition I was expecting when I posted that haha

No I would do the deal but it pains me to see Lindholm go the other way.

Not only is he RHed but I think he is the best player on the team.

He does everything so well.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Handedness definitely matters when it comes to power play options.

Lindholms cap in this climate is considerably valuable.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Yeah I’m keeping Lindholm.

[Jacks]

Flames don't have the cap space to add Kucherov or Hall (let alone both) without shipping out significant salary. It would be nice if we didn't have 8M tied up in buyouts and Lucic.

[kurwamac]

Imagine if the Flames owners override Treliving, pull a Columbus by holding onto Gaudreau, sign Hall - and just go for it lol. There's a chance they might figure that they're old, so they can be selfish and try to see what this group +Hall could do - but that goes heavy against their lifetime core values of asset management so we'll have to see, I consider that an x-factor, can't wait to see how it unfolds
(there's also a chance Lucic retires folks. He was talking about how he was considering hanging them up, prior to the coaching change, lots of ways he could rationalize it, maybe covid convinces him to do it to protect his family)

[Roof-Daddy]

Hard to imagine a guy walking away from $14 million even if he's grossed roughly $60 million already in his career.