[Signing] McDavid signs extension: 8 years, 12.5M per.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by verda13

There are plenty of examples of duos that score more then 87 or 97 at a lower cost. Would you trade them for Drai and Maroon? Also, what was McDavid's cap hit last year? (if you wanna compare apples to apples) who knows where any of them will be in the future.

Irrelevant because #87 make almost 4 million less than #97.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You may want to stop right there.

You aren't helping things.


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Originally Posted by bluck

Lol. Take a break dude

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Horrible logic, we are better than that...

Sure guys. As it stands at this moment I would rather have Johnny and Mony at their deals than McDavid at his. Maybe that'll change next season but he wasn't better than both of those guys combined last year.

[magicbell]

Man, after watching all the interviews with Connor; this kid has a good head on his shoulders. Damn the Oilers!!!!

[saXon]

Originally Posted by magicbell

Man, after watching all the interviews with Connor; this kid has a good head on his shoulders. Damn the Oilers!!!!

So much so that he bitches out refs when they make a call on him, dives all over the ice, and expects phone calls from Mess on the hour.

Damn them!!1!!!11!

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Sure guys. As it stands at this moment I would rather have Johnny and Mony at their deals than McDavid at his. Maybe that'll change next season but he wasn't better than both of those guys combined last year.

Taylor Hall (20g/53p) + Palmieri (26g/53p)= 46g/106p
cap hit = 10.65 million

Or just for fun

Matthews (40g/69p) + Marner (19g/61p) = 59g/130p
cap hit= 1.82 million

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Did I ever say that? I think Textcritics claim he would take Monahan over McDavid prior to the season is certainly open to ridicule. Even in a sarcastic tone...

Proof?

[calgarywinning]

It's a fascinating equation. The real deal is the weight is now transferred to Connor.

Management, all levels expect and will want what they are paying for. If he can deliver, it will be good. I look forward to reading some Crosby interviews.

If he fails, falters or blinks the people that built him up will be first to take him down. It's a lot of pressure for a kid of that age. Don't envy him, but if he wouldn't mind bumping me a mill for this post...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Weitz

... I think Textcritics claim he would take Monahan over McDavid prior to the season is certainly open to ridicule. Even in a sarcastic tone...

Originally Posted by activeStick

Proof?

Yeah, I am quite curious about this myself. What hilariously stupid thing did I put out there on the interwebs for all to see into the perpetuity of eternity?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I am quite curious about this myself. What hilariously stupid thing did I put out there on the interwebs for all to see into the perpetuity of eternity?

I'd let this one die if I were you. I recall replying to a comment back in preseason.

And anyway, this is a Flame fan forum. I claimed Valimaki has Orr upside.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Love

Why do Oiler fans come onto a Calgary Flame based message board and troll?

Because when the season starts, and they realize by December that their team is once again no good, and their season last year was a complete and utter illusion, and that their window has slammed shut.

And instead of discussing who Connor will hand the cup to first, they'll be talking about who from the Oilers will be on the stage at the draft.

And instead of planning a parade route, they'll be planning on which bar will have the best draft party.

We'll never eeeeeeever see theeem again.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Taylor Hall (20g/53p) + Palmieri (26g/53p)= 46g/106p

cap hit = 10.65 million



Or just for fun



Matthews (40g/69p) + Marner (19g/61p) = 59g/130p

cap hit= 1.82 million

give it a rest. Way to pick 2 guys on ELC's, maybe wait and see what they sign for after. And if I was Toronto I wouldn't trade Matthews/Marner for McDavid.

As for Hall/Palmeiri both have pretty much hit their peaks. Gaudreau/Monahan are younger with a hell of a higher ceiling.

We'll see where we're sitting next season.

[Dajazz]

Top players get top dollar, as much as I hate the oilers and consequently McDollar I do not understand how it can be a bad thing. His salary is in proportion what Iginla and other superstars get/got - it's not the dollars, it's how much of the cap.

McDollar isn't screwing the Oilers, it's the other #### contracts that are.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Sure guys. As it stands at this moment I would rather have Johnny and Mony at their deals than McDavid at his. Maybe that'll change next season but he wasn't better than both of those guys combined last year.

It's silly to compare the production of 2 players vs. one.

Most GM's would choose McDavid vs. Johnny and Mony. It would be hard to pass up the player who will be the NHL's top player, and is only now beginning to scratch his potential.

The fact that he almost scored as much as Johnny and Mony, two pretty good players, tells you what you need to know.

[GGG]

The real comparison isn't between Mony and Johnny and McDavid as the Oilers will pay to have good line mates with McDavid. The cost really is around your fourth defensemen and 5/6th winger.

So it becomes McDavid and replacement level wingers on your 3rd line vs Monahan and Frolik or Monhan, Stone and Hamonic vs McDavid and having to have a 2 million dollar 4 and a million dollar 5.

And the answer to those questions is you take McDavid every time.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I am quite curious about this myself. What hilariously stupid thing did I put out there on the interwebs for all to see into the perpetuity of eternity?

this is in the context of World Cup performance but still...I guess we all have our S7ark / Rob Schremp moment.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

MacKinnon and Gaudreau were the best forwards in that game, and for what it is worth, I think he and Monahan are both players I would want on my team ahead of McDavid for the 2016–17 season.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Bear in mind that I am speaking only of this tournament and the upcoming 2016–17 season. Given the choice for McDavid or Monahan on the first line of the Flames this year, I am sticking with Monahan, but I would not be surprised if by this time next year that decision will be different.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Horrible logic, we are better than that...

Apparently not.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Taylor Hall (20g/53p) + Palmieri (26g/53p)= 46g/106p
cap hit = 10.65 million

Or just for fun

Matthews (40g/69p) + Marner (19g/61p) = 59g/130p
cap hit= 1.82 million

Clocks ticking on those last two. Leafs have been pretty good at avoiding landmind contracts though. Marleau could be trouble if he declines when all these guys come up for renewal.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

this is in the context of World Cup performance but still...I guess we all have our S7ark / Rob Schremp moment.

Based on World Cup play that statement was true. Then last season happened. He certainly wasn't the best player on his team at the World Cup

[GreenLantern2814]

It took awhile, since nobody was worth resetting the market, but now you're seeing the real impact of contract limits. Ten years ago, this would've been a 15 year contract with a cap hit of $7M. Now teams have to pay market value, or sell themselves on the idea that they got a discount because McDavid didn't want his number to start with a 13.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny, when these contract talks first started, I think I figured it would end up at 12 million bucks a year if they wanted to buy free agency, then I think 12.5 or 13 I think it gets fuzzy for me cause I'm old.

Oiler fans were harping on less then 10 million bucks.

Suddenly the rumors come out of 13.5 and those rumors really clouded things up.

Suddenly instead of 12 or in the Oilers fans cases 9 to 11. It was 13.25.

Then Connor signs for 12.5.

And the illusion is on that he signed a discount.

He didn't Oiler fans were convinced that it was an 11 million dollar deal and anything above was greedy, but the 13.25 rumor has them all saying "OMG what a discount". Connor gave back to win a cup with the Oilers.

Flames fans were betting on between 12 and 13, suddenly because of the 13.25 rumor and the settling at 12.5 its now, OMG Connor took a discount its a small one, but he's a great kid.

Bleah, he didn't take a paycut, he got more then Flames fans and even Oiler fans thought he'd get.

The 13.25 rumor is this great illusion and bail out position for the Oilers and Connors camp.

Even so, a $750,000 per year haircut doesn't help the Oilers that much.

Anything over 20 million for Draisaitl and McDavid is equivalent to putting a pillow over Grandma's face. In the long term, it will make the Oilers even more unsustainable then they are now. McDavid will probably waste his prime years in Edmonton, surrounded by mediocrity.