Other than Kylington, don't agree with your assessments at all. It was almost like you were watching a different game? This of course is what makes watching hockey so much fun. Everyone sees different things and keys on different aspects of the game, so we're unlikely to come to similar conclusions much of the time.
One thing I really noticed was there were two players on the ice that changed the flow and dynamic of every shift they took; Jankowski and Kylington. Everyone else was a complimentary player out there. Another thing that really stood out to me was one player was exceptional at using his linemates, and that was Jankowski. The subtle plays he made to create open ice for his linemates to create offense was outstanding. Even though Klimchuk stated that the players didn't really know each other or how each other played, that didn't prevent one guy from standing out in using the other guys on ice, every shift.
The most impressive individual talent on the ice was Kylington. The best hockey player was Jankowski, and it was much of a contest. With the talent level that was out there, that says something. I also have to give some love to two guys that seemed to be over-looked, but were still impressive in their performances, and those are Poirier and Klimchuk. I know everyone wants to see players score points, but the little things these guys do defensively and then in the offensive zone to create open ice is outstanding. The future is bright, even if the RDDI (Ricardo Debbie Downer Index) says otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not a Jankowski hater, and I actually liked the pick at the time because it was a swing for the fences type pick in a weak draft.
I definitely see the potential in Jankowski. The hockey sense, the skills, the size, the skating, it's all there. He just needs to put it all together offensively and establish a portfolio of work.
I think if I hadn't read the comments prior to watching the scrimmage, I probably would have been more impressed. I was just expecting a Peter Forsberg type puck possession dominance after reading the comments.
I think with the way his defensive game has developed and the physical maturity, there is pretty much no bust possibility with him anymore. He's going to be an NHL player, the only question is how good is he going to be.
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It's no secret that Burke didn't like Baertschi, so you might be onto something. At the time of the comments everyone still thought highly of Baertschi so naturally everyone pointed to the Jankowski pick instead. In reality, Burke would be the first guy to jump on a skilled player who just had a huge growth spurt.
If Burke disliked Baertschi, it was after he spent some time watching him up close. When Burke joined, all he said was that he didn't know what they had in Baertschi. He simply stated that he needed work, that was his and the Maple Leafs scouts assessment.
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Jankowski remains an enigma, but if he has one thing that will eventually lead him to the NHL it's his high hockey IQ. I've watched some Friars games and his on-ice awareness is really remarkable. He's not a speedster (though he's very mobile for a lanky guy), he's not overpowering physically, he does have soft hands, but sometimes you'd swear the guy had radar. You can't teach that. In the right role, I think he'll be a good one.
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I think if I hadn't read the comments prior to watching the scrimmage, I probably would have been more impressed. I was just expecting a Peter Forsberg type puck possession dominance after reading the comments.
Don't expect that. All we can hope for is that the guy raises his game at whatever level he hits. Plays well in the development camp, plays well at the prospects camp (if he was going), then parlays that into a good pro camp pushing for a roster spot. I don't think scouts (or anyone for that matter) is looking for him to be a dominating force right now, they just want him to keep getting better at every level he plays.
I'm hoping that next year he comes in like Josh Jooris. Doesn't set the world on fire, but every time he gets thrown into tougher competition he finds a way to elevate his game and get noticed.
I was at the final development camp session this morning. In the second session (Groups C and D) two of the smaller forwards really stood out for me. One name which has been covered a bit is Tyson Baille and it is good to see he has been invited to the Penticton tourney.
The other player that really stood out that I don't think had been mentioned much was #94 Brandon Hawkins from Bowling Green. He seemed to be a smooth skater and had a nice touch with the puck and a deadly wrist shot. He could be a dark horse to keep an eye on.
This gets so old, stop blaming just Feaster, it was Jay trusting and quoting of his assistant Weisbrod's assessment of Janko.
It doesn't matter if it was Jay trusting and quoting Weisbrod's assessment. That statement you just don't make to the media. A statement like that when you are picking past the middle of the first round is probably just going to create controversy and backash (which it did), but without question it suddenly puts a heck of a lot of pressure on Jankowski unfairly. Nobody cares what a head scout (Button did NOT say it) or what an AGM have to say (Weisbrod said it - and yep, should get criticized for it as well), but what the GM says becomes the news. This is something you tell the prospect privately, not proclaim to the media.
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The cool part to Tyson Baillie's story is the NHL draft had just ended 10 minutes earlier when Calgary phoned him to invite him to dev camp.
That's a good strategy. I think in general most of the scouting reports by fans are overly optimistic (i.e. saying 4 defenseman at this camp are NHL ready now when its highly likely that only 2 or 3 guys will ever have a real NHL career), but some information is better than none.
Just because you don't realize the flames are #stacked doesn't mean optimistic fans aren't more right than you.
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It doesn't matter if it was Jay trusting and quoting Weisbrod's assessment. That statement you just don't make to the media. A statement like that when you are picking past the middle of the first round is probably just going to create controversy and backash (which it did), but without question it suddenly puts a heck of a lot of pressure on Jankowski unfairly. Nobody cares what a head scout (Button did NOT say it) or what an AGM have to say (Weisbrod said it - and yep, should get criticized for it as well), but what the GM says becomes the news. This is something you tell the prospect privately, not proclaim to the media.
It's funny how much heat Burke takes for being the type of guy who likes to hear himself talk, when Feaster is probably worse than him.
At least with Burke, most of the crazy things he says is meant to deflect attention and pressure away from his players.
Feaster on the other hand just adds pressure and attention to his players.
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It doesn't matter if it was Jay trusting and quoting Weisbrod's assessment. That statement you just don't make to the media. A statement like that when you are picking past the middle of the first round is probably just going to create controversy and backash (which it did), but without question it suddenly puts a heck of a lot of pressure on Jankowski unfairly. Nobody cares what a head scout (Button did NOT say it) or what an AGM have to say (Weisbrod said it - and yep, should get criticized for it as well), but what the GM says becomes the news. This is something you tell the prospect privately, not proclaim to the media.
I got to say, by comparison Treliving comes across as a real pro in dealing with the media.
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The cool part to Tyson Baillie's story is the NHL draft had just ended 10 minutes earlier when Calgary phoned him to invite him to dev camp.
Interesting to see if they sign him before the camp though. They don't have to sign him for him to participate right? Didn't Vladdy Hockey do that last year for the Oilers?
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I really wish Treliving could just fire (er... "retire") Burke.
I curious as to why? Bruke is the one who started this teams transformation and hired Treliving, and keeping true to his promise, he's not the face of management for this team and never will be
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...So that I don't have to listen to Burke gloat about how his 07 Ducks set the template for play in the entirety of the Western Conference.
As for your other part, I'm not sure what Burke had to do with Brodie, Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Backlund, Ramo, Hartley, Bouma, etc. I do give Burke full credit for hiring Treliving and for getting a 2nd for Berra.
Either way, it was a tongue in cheek comment. Burke is Treliving's boss. Treliving does not have any influence over Burke's place in the organizaton.
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...So that I don't have to listen to Burke gloat about how his 07 Ducks set the template for play in the entirety of the Western Conference.
As for your other part, I'm not sure what Burke had to do with Brodie, Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Backlund, Ramo, Hartley, Bouma, etc. I do give Burke full credit for hiring Treliving and for getting a 2nd for Berra.
Either way, it was a tongue in cheek comment. Burke is Treliving's boss. Treliving does not have any influence over Burke's place in the organizaton.
Fair enough, just curious mostly. I'm sure Burke would be the first to tell you he didnt build the team that made the playoffs last year and would give Feaster and Co. a lot of credit from the guys they brought it. I just think Burkes best moves so far are the moves he didn't make, i.e getting rid of Hartley or trading away guys like Gio or Backlund and I agree with a lot of his off ice philosophies like being a leader in the community
Interesting to see if they sign him before the camp though. They don't have to sign him for him to participate right? Didn't Vladdy Hockey do that last year for the Oilers?
Can we not call him Vladdy Hockey?
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The cool part to Tyson Baillie's story is the NHL draft had just ended 10 minutes earlier when Calgary phoned him to invite him to dev camp.
I just read some of the online stuff about him. Surprised he got through unselected twice. Seems like a pretty high end player
I just read some of the online stuff about him. Surprised he got through unselected twice. Seems like a pretty high end player
Treliving said that he's an odd player because there seems to be issues with almost everything he does and yet he also does the right things and is usually good in important situations.
Also through about 6 videos uploaded and another 2-3 to go. I'll put them all in a playlist so you can watch them all one after another. They are short vids, only 30 secs to a min each.
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