[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[BigBird]

Like this for the Canucks Sven is going to be put in a situation to succeed unlike the one the flames put him through..

[Antithesis]

When can we expect RGI to be added to nhl.com, and what will they change its name to?

[FAN]

This is a good trade for both teams, but I give the edge to the Flames. Baertschi asked to be moved and we moved him for the best deal available. A 2nd round pick is really all we could ask for.

As for the Canucks, they are getting a 1st round talent who is clearly skilled enough to play in the NHL. He just needs to improve his strength and dedicate himself to playing a complete game (essentially, his draft day scouting report remains). And ya, the Canucks seem to love giving up 2nd round picks for skilled, finesse players who have yet to show they can crack the NHL full time but who will be exposed to NHL waivers real soon. But they do seem to love those WHL players over there and have given chances to skilled but physically weak players, so I anticipate the Canucks giving him a chance next season. The Canucks will need to move some players in the offseason though.

The 1st round of the 2011 NHL draft has turned out into a pretty average one. Lots of players have games played in the NHL but very few have developed anywhere close to projections. At the time, besides Baertschi, the other candidates where McNeil and Armia, and neither of them have done anything in the NHL (yet?).

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Maata or Girgensons would look pretty good in our rebuild right now as well. Sieloff and Jankowski are sure making an impact.

Yeah, every single team in the NHL has about a thousand examples of "wish I had drafted that guy instead". That's just empty prattle.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by BigBird

Like this for the Canucks Sven is going to be put in a situation to succeed unlike the one the flames put him through..

I never understand this. Sven was given plenty of opportunity to succeed with the flames. So he is just going to get slotted in to play with the Sedin sisters or something and be a point per game.

Go ahead and give a player who hasn't earned it top 6 minutes...go ahead and play for the canucks. We don't need players around here who are entitled because of their draft position.

This is all a bunch of crap that he wasn't given a chance, he simply didn't earn his spot in the NHL for the Calgary Flames. Not that he couldn't have but he made the decision that it wouldn't happen here. Guess what, he is now gone and I am happy to have a 2nd round pick this year that will likely be very happy to be a Calgary Flame. No room here for guys who are entitled.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Too bad Sven didn't work out he once appeared to be the next great Flames winger. Obviously having Johnny develop as he has softened the blow of losing this asset. Also getting a top 50 pick in a deep draft is a nice consolation. The pick will also be valuable currency to pair with our cap space for potential trades this summer.


Sven was ruined by that 5 game callup and Feaster hype train. He then seemed to develop an entitled attitude and never clicked with Hartley and the new regime. I do fear he is a player that needed a change of scenery and will do well in Vancouver

Also I do think Vancouver is making some nice moves in their retool. Moving Kesler got them younger and added a good prospect in McCann. They basically traded 30 year old Dman for 22 year old Vey. With Vey, Horvat, Baertschi, Kassian,Sbisa, Tanev they have some decent roster players under 25 as well as Shinkaurak, McCann, and Virtanen as prospects they have turned it around quickly with some decent young forwards.

someone on the TSN panel pointed it out today but the Canucks have picked up a lot of under 23 year old talent the past 2 years without going a full tank, having really just the 1 bad year

went on to say how bad it looks for Edmonton who has been so bad for so long and is still on the decline, while Calgary, Vancouver, and Winnipeg are all looking better now and have more pieces coming in the future

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

someone on the TSN panel pointed it out today but the Canucks have picked up a lot of under 23 year old talent the past 2 years without going a full tank, having really just the 1 bad year

The problem with this is Vancouver is going to be sorely lacking top line talent.

I read a lot of different sites / forums and I see so many Canuck fans acting like Virtanin, Horvat etc are locks to be top line players once the Sedins are on the way out.

I think - at best - they have a nice collection of potential second and third line young talent.

They're still a team with an older core that's on the decline and once they dry up I still see Vancouver bottoming out hard until they manage to draft some blue-chip talent that they currently lack.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The Ricardo Grit Index is a measure of the finest of sandpaper required to polish the turds that are most of his posts.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

someone on the TSN panel pointed it out today but the Canucks have picked up a lot of under 23 year old talent the past 2 years without going a full tank, having really just the 1 bad year

went on to say how bad it looks for Edmonton who has been so bad for so long and is still on the decline, while Calgary, Vancouver, and Winnipeg are all looking better now and have more pieces coming in the future

A little deceptive in Vancouver's case since one of those pieces, Bo Horvat, only cost you what you thought would be your franchise goaltender. McCann was part of the deal where you lost Kesler. Vey has turned out alright though. Baertschi is potential wrapped in a project. But yes, the Canucks have done fairly well at restocking mid- and low-tier guys.

They just don't have replacements for their aging first line or top D.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

someone on the TSN panel pointed it out today but the Canucks have picked up a lot of under 23 year old talent the past 2 years without going a full tank, having really just the 1 bad year

went on to say how bad it looks for Edmonton who has been so bad for so long and is still on the decline, while Calgary, Vancouver, and Winnipeg are all looking better now and have more pieces coming in the future

How the hell a team can be bottom of the league for close to a decade and still be in the bottom third of prospect pools at the same time is mind blowing really.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The problem with this is Vancouver is going to be sorely lacking top line talent.

I read a lot of different sites / forums and I see so many Canuck fans acting like Virtanin, Horvat etc are locks to be top line players once the Sedins are on the way out.

I think - at best - they have a nice collection of potential second and third line young talent.

They're still a team with an older core that's on the decline and once they dry up I still see Vancouver bottoming out hard until they manage to draft some blue-chip talent that they currently lack.

when you read a lot of team sites and forums your going to see a lot of fans overrating their own prospects

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Is Gaudreau established?

compared to the guy everyone was crying about he's a future HOFer.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

At least the team acted and managed to squeeze something out of this. This has a Marc Savard quality to it, where the Flames have a smaller talented forward who butts heads with coaches and management. At least this time management made a decision and moved on rather than think they could fix the mess and make it worse. I take a 2nd round pick and getting on with life over a year of making a mess and Ruslan Zainilun any day.

Savard obviously showed alot more when he was traded, but it has that vibe for me as well. We gave away Savard who really blossomed. I hope that is not the case with Sven.
I have soften my stance since it first happened (voted fleeced), but I still hate it. Perhaps blind fandom, but I can't write the guy off just yet.

[JiriHrdina]

Not sure if this comparable has been made but CBJ got a third for Filatov 3 years after he was drafted sixth overall
A second seems ok

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

A little deceptive in Vancouver's case since one of those pieces, Bo Horvat, only cost you what you thought would be your franchise goaltender. McCann was part of the deal where you lost Kesler. Vey has turned out alright though. Baertschi is potential wrapped in a project. But yes, the Canucks have done fairly well at restocking mid- and low-tier guys.

They just don't have replacements for their aging first line or top D.

ya but that is my point, they made trades to pick up these guys without having to bottom out, was essentially just saying there is more than one way

who knows if it works out instantly, they are going to need someone like McCann to take a big jump in his development or in 3 years they wont have a 1C, but it's far more desirable than finishing last every year for over half a decade

[Resolute 14]

True dat.

[TBone290]

Not that I hate Sven, but now that he's a dirty canuck. I hope the Addy Flames throttle everytime they play Utica.

[Flacker]

Sven was given ample opportunity, just never really worked out. He seemed slow to buy in. I'm not discounting his potential, and if all the pieces come together he'll be a solid top 6 guy. Flames don't have the need, or time, to gamble and wait.

Also why is TSN still reporting this is for 2017 pick, crapped myself when I saw that, then remembered TSN...

EDIT - TSN has it corrected now, but they still suck

[Erick Estrada]

Baertschi is in the same situation with the Canucks in that he's going to have to be on the roster or he's going on waivers where any team can claim him. No different than when the Flames picked up Colborne. Fortunately for the Flames the season was a miserable one so they could afford to give Colborne lots of ice time early on when he struggled but on a team that wants to make the playoffs the rope will be shorter. It was doubtful that he was going to make the Flames next season as a full time player so getting a 2nd for him really isn't that bad. The problem with a player like Sven is that you have to play him top 6 as his game doesn't suit a bottom 6 role.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

ya but that is my point, they made trades to pick up these guys without having to bottom out, was essentially just saying there is more than one way

who knows if it works out instantly, they are going to need someone like McCann to take a big jump in his development or in 3 years they wont have a 1C, but it's far more desirable than finishing last every year for over half a decade

Until several years go by and you noticed they've done nothing but sat around 7th - 9th without making any noise in the playoffs and have nothing but middling draft picks and potential 2nd/3rd liners to show for it.

I think you underestimate the slide that's ahead for Vancouver in the coming years.