[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, dammit, you've convinced me. Definitely an indicating stat of a bad player.

Your intuition is unmatched.

Did FW say Iginla was a bad player?

No need to passive aggressive and catty... we're guys talking about hockey.

I think Iginla would look great on the Pens with Crosby, and he would be a huge boost. But, I can see where others are coming from when they think he won't mesh... in the past 2 decades, I've seen lots of rent-a-players bomb out as a rental because the team plays a diff style/system.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

No coincidence they're often on the same line?

There have been times when all three of them were offside on the same play!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If Iginla is insistent on holding the puck in Pittsburgh like he is in Calgary, it's not going to work out well.

Iginla is a smart enough player to know that when Crosby is on the ice, you let him have the puck and dictate the play. And Iginla has played with him before.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The Flames could go into the draft as a major player instead of the much debated trade Iggy/ Kipper approach.
Trading Iginla is not the be all end all how the Flames can rebuild.

If the Flames traded Bouwmeester, Tanguay, Cammy, Glencross, G oh oh, Babchuk, Sarich, Butler, Comeau.

They could go into the draft with 2 First round picks, 2 or 3 second round picks, an additional 5th, 6th or 7th.

There is more than one in the box solution. Question is are the Flames brass creative?
Bouwmeester will for sure get a 1st round pick.
Tangauy, Cammy, Glencross and Jio based on their production over the past 3 years are all 2/3rd round picks.
Butler 5th/6th
Comeau 7th
Sarich 7th

Are the Flames going to find a trade for all these players no, but they have to at least try and if the return is not there decide who to keep.
But this group is not working currently.
Feaster could even shop Cervenka if they wanted to. There are several teams that could get more out of him than the Flames. Gm's would recognize that.

Finish the dead season with multiple AHL call ups and do a long time evaluation of where these guys are for development.

Currently the Flames go into this draft with a
1st,3rd,4th,6th,7th. If this is not right post the correct numbers.

The Flames will go into the off season if they make Zero moves with 17m cap space they could go into the off-season with potentially 40m to spend and rebuild right away.

I wish they would trade them all, including Iginla and Kipper, try to accumulate as many picks as possible and then be players in the UFA market, the trade market (with teams needing to get under the cap) and amongst bought out players. This offseason is unique in the sense that:

1) There will likely be somewhere around 15-20 bought out players around the league, much higher than in other years.
2) The following teams have around 1 million dollars a player to spend to complete their rosters:

Philadelphia, Vancouver, Chicago, Tampa, Boston, San Jose. I would suggest all of those teams may be prime for the picking in terms of getting players off their roster in trades where the team may even pick up some of the salary and give the Flames a second rounder to take the player.

Take the Hawks for instance, if I was the Flames I would consider the following trade:

Olesz
Pirri

for
Brady Lamb

The guy is in all likelihood done, but you are getting a decent prospect in Pirri for a Brady Lamb. The Flames eat a year of Olesz salary, the Hawks may do it because they need to clear cap room and even after potentially buying out Frolik and Oduya, they would only have 10 million to sign:

Nick Leddy
Marcus Kruger
Stalhberg
A backup goalie
three other players

If the Flames do a decent job at the deadline this year, I think there are unique opportunities to continue the rebuild this offseason and pick up even more prospects and perhaps even the odd decent player or two.

[zamler]

Pittsburgh is #1 in goal scoring, 100 goals in 27 games. Why would they need Iggy to add scoring punch? edit - they are 23rd in the league in goals against, I keep saying they need goaltender, for example Kiprusoff if he can regain his form which I have no doubt he can.

[l33t_hax0r]

The way Crosby's line is playing right now, I can't see Shero bending over backwards to get Iggy. They're way ahead of the league in GF. They badly need to address their goals against, the PK in particular. They're awful short-handed.

[l33t_hax0r]

Originally Posted by zamler

Pittsburgh is #1 in goal scoring, 100 goals in 27 games. Why would they need Iggy to add scoring punch? edit - they are 23rd in the league in goals against, I keep saying they need goaltender, for example Kiprusoff if he can regain his form which I have no doubt he can.

Kipper would probably be an upgrade, but I think he would still suffer. They play a wide open style that results in a lot of goals for both sides. They mostly just need to sort out their PK.

[bubbsy]

Kipper has only really flourished when the team plays a good structured style. As soon as it becomes a run & gun team, his overall play definitely diminishes.

This is the reason i hope he goes to a team like St. Loius.

I wonder if the sharks would take him back for niemi + 2nd rounder

[kyuss275]

I guess the Burke rumour was bogus. By now there would have been some sort of leak to media and twitter.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by zamler

Pittsburgh is #1 in goal scoring, 100 goals in 27 games. Why would they need Iggy to add scoring punch? edit - they are 23rd in the league in goals against, I keep saying they need goaltender, for example Kiprusoff if he can regain his form which I have no doubt he can.

I agree, the Pens don't need Iggy. Anyone hoping for that scenario is going to be very disapointed.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Kipper has only really flourished when the team plays a good structured style. As soon as it becomes a run & gun team, his overall play definitely diminishes.

This is the reason i hope he goes to a team like St. Loius.

I wonder if the sharks would take him back for niemi + 2nd rounder

If the season ended now, Niemi would be a Vezina candidate. So no.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's unbelievable how this forum has demonized Iginla. When Iginla was playing with a 60+ point Langkow, he was putting up 85+ points, he did score 50 goals. He was considered a top 5 player in the league.

While some may be demonizing Iginla, I think most aren't. Most people want him traded for some variety of these reasons:

- he is an asset decreasing in value
- he is a UFA
- he is likely worth more to the franchise going forward if traded for futures than he is by himself
- the franchise is too centered on him as necessary for this franchise's success
- it's just time for a change

I'd be surprised if anybody here didn't like the guy and didn't appreciate everything he's brought to the Flames for the past 18 years.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

If the season ended now, Niemi would be a Vezina candidate. So no.

Oops, my bad. With the way they have struggled I thought perhaps, not scoring goals wasn't their only problem (ie. Avg goaltending perhaps)....

Haven't followed them at all, clearly.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

While some may be demonizing Iginla, I think most aren't. Most people want him traded for some variety of these reasons:

- he is an asset decreasing in value
- he is a UFA
- he is likely worth more to the franchise going forward if traded for futures than he is by himself
- the franchise is too centered on him as necessary for this franchise's success
- it's just time for a change

I'd be surprised if anybody here didn't like the guy and didn't appreciate everything he's brought to the Flames for the past 18 years.

Bolded parts are my reasons I would advocate him moving on.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

While some may be demonizing Iginla, I think most aren't. Most people want him traded for some variety of these reasons:

- he is an asset decreasing in value
- he is a UFA
- he is likely worth more to the franchise going forward if traded for futures than he is by himself
- the franchise is too centered on him as necessary for this franchise's success
- it's just time for a change

I'd be surprised if anybody here didn't like the guy and didn't appreciate everything he's brought to the Flames for the past 18 years.

I think this kind of brings out the difference between a rebuild mentality and a contending mentality.

When you are contending, you try to move out the bad and keep the good.

When you are rebuilding, you are trying to move out the depreciating assets and bring in appreciating ones.

It's a completely different way of looking at who should be traded.

Iggy is good, but a depreciating asset. That makes trading him especially important. We don't want him to end up like Kipper, who is propably a lost asset at this point.

[Ddavid]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I know this is in the Post Game Thread, but this to me is a real big issue.

It might just be Feaster being disingenuous with the media in order to not reveal any cards that might be involved in current trade negotiations. However, it feels like it is actually accurate.

I don't understand what the ownership group might be smoking when looking at this team as it is compiled. There is no chance that this team is going anywhere but a bottom 5 finish in the conference.

I dont see how anyone can think this is not a winning team. We have all the pieces in both scoring and defense not to mention goaltending. We just have to figure it out with the chemistry and we will be riding into the playoffs

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Ddavid

I dont see how anyone can think this is not a winning team. We have all the pieces in both scoring and defense not to mention goaltending. We just have to figure it out with the chemistry and we will be riding into the playoffs

The fact that we're 15th, coupled with the fact that we've given up the second most goals in the league, coupled with isolated offensive production (the 3rd/4th line guys contribute nothing) equates to a really poor finish.

I'd be shocked if the Flames picked outside the top ten this year and would not be surprised if it ended up being in the top 3

[Ddavid]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think this kind of brings out the difference between a rebuild mentality and a contending mentality.

When you are contending, you try to move out the bad and keep the good.

When you are rebuilding, you are trying to move out the depreciating assets and bring in appreciating ones.

It's a completely different way of looking at who should be traded.

Iggy is good, but a depreciating asset. That makes trading him especially important. We don't want him to end up like Kipper, who is propably a lost asset at this point.

My goodness, people get so down on players so fast in Calgary. Kipper has had a slow start this season yes, but all elite goaltenders go through slumps in their career. This would only be a quarter of the way through a regular season and kipper has missed almost half of it.

Give the guy a break or be proven wrong when Kipper returns to form.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Ddavid

My goodness, people get so down on players so fast in Calgary. Kipper has had a slow start this season yes, but all elite goaltenders go through slumps in their career. This would only be a quarter of the way through a regular season and kipper has missed almost half of it.

Give the guy a break or be proven wrong when Kipper returns to form.

The problem is that there are only 24 games left in the season and Kiprusoff looks like his timing is off. Usually in the past when this has happened, it takes him about 6-9 games to regain his form entirely. If you shave off 6 more games, it's almost a virtual guarantee that the Flames miss the playoffs if they aren't already in that boat.

[Ddavid]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The fact that we're 15th, coupled with the fact that we've given up the second most goals in the league, coupled with isolated offensive production (the 3rd/4th line guys contribute nothing) equates to a really poor finish.

I'd be shocked if the Flames picked outside the top ten this year and would not be surprised if it ended up being in the top 3

First of all with all the changes happening to the lines this season, who would you even consider "3rd/4th line guys" there are currently 7 flames forwards with over 10 points and Backlund would probably be there too if it wasn't for his injury. Cervenka is close at 8 and is steadily progressing to the adjustment of coming into the NHL.

We definitely have trouble on the defensive end I will give you that. But i think that is in large because of poor goal tending so far which we all know Kipper is gunna snap out of.