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Old 08-15-2013, 01:30 PM   #661
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I was a big proponent of a Old Republic movie trilogy that could go back even further then the old Republic stuff to the first force war between the early Jedi and the heretics who broke off to follow the dark path.

Or even a movie that followed the First Hyperspace war would have tons of interesting stories, it would also allow you to have the really powerful Sith Lords battling each other at the same time.

The more I think about what we're hearing, the more I pray it isn't true.
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I think you're pretty bang on except I thought they did a really good job with Obi Wan as well.
I would agree, but a big part of that was that EM really channeled Alec Guiness in terms of the way he looked, talked and acted. There was some solid solid script writing involved in there too.

I saw Star Wars again not that long ago and when old Ben was talking to Luke who was looking Ben and Obi Wan kinda chuckles and rolls his eyes and says "Oh he's not dead, at least not yet, he's me"

I could see EM doing that line
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I don't know if it would work, but a Revan trilogy Could also be amazing. When I first played through KoTOR as a Jedi the big reveal blew me away on a level similar to Vader revealing that he was Luke's father. I am not sure you could have that impact since the storyline already exists.
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I don't know if it would work, but a Revan trilogy Could also be amazing. When I first played through KoTOR as a Jedi the big reveal blew me away on a level similar to Vader revealing that he was Luke's father. I am not sure you could have that impact since the storyline already exists.
That would be tough because everyone would compare it to what were incredible story lines, and the big reveal is no secret.

I would love to "Ruin is the definition of pure evil, as I conceive of him and it. I'd say he is in the Darth Traya mold, only Ruin broke the mold and then murdered the mold-maker." ―Abel G. Peña[src]
see a old republic story with Darth Ruin as the bady. This guy was an awesome villian

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Ruin

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I would agree, but a big part of that was that EM really channeled Alec Guiness in terms of the way he looked, talked and acted. There was some solid solid script writing involved in there too.

I saw Star Wars again not that long ago and when old Ben was talking to Luke who was looking Ben and Obi Wan kinda chuckles and rolls his eyes and says "Oh he's not dead, at least not yet, he's me"

I could see EM doing that line
I recently watch Ep IV because of this thread and the whole scene when theyre in Obi-Wan's house gave such a great connection to the characters between the films. MacGregor did a fantastic job and was an inspired choice for Kenobi. Its like he just watched those first few scenes over and over again until he nailed it. Right down do the hand gestures. The best part of the prequels for sure.
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I recently watch Ep IV because of this thread and the whole scene when theyre in Obi-Wan's house gave such a great connection to the characters between the films. MacGregor did a fantastic job and was an inspired choice for Kenobi. Its like he just watched those first few scenes over and over again until he nailed it. Right down do the hand gestures. The best part of the prequels for sure.
For sure. It is hard to believe that the work that MacGregor and McDermid did in the prequels came from the same movies that put out the characters portrayed by Christensen and Portman.
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For sure. It is hard to believe that the work that MacGregor and McDermid did in the prequels came from the same movies that put out the characters portrayed by Christensen and Portman.
To be fair to Christensen and Portman, they didn't have a lot of reference for their characters comparatively. Christensen's wore a mask and barely spoke through the entire first set. And Portman could have channelled Leia a bit, but couldn't all out take. Also, the writing. "I'm a person and my name is Anakin." *shudder* Who could work with that crap? I'm thankful Harrison Ford had the stones to re-write/re-tool most of his scripts himself.
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To be fair to Christensen and Portman, they didn't have a lot of reference for their characters comparatively. Christensen's wore a mask and barely spoke through the entire first set. And Portman could have channelled Leia a bit, but couldn't all out take. Also, the writing. "I'm a person and my name is Anakin." *shudder* Who could work with that crap? I'm thankful Harrison Ford had the stones to re-write/re-tool most of his scripts himself.
The writing was not too good for Anakin and Padme. "Hold me, like you used to by the lake on Naboo." Horrible line was horribly delivered. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if MacGregor and McDermid both made line change suggestions as they both seemed to put in a lot of work on their characters.
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To be fair to Christensen and Portman, they didn't have a lot of reference for their characters comparatively. Christensen's wore a mask and barely spoke through the entire first set. And Portman could have channelled Leia a bit, but couldn't all out take. Also, the writing. "I'm a person and my name is Anakin." *shudder* Who could work with that crap? I'm thankful Harrison Ford had the stones to re-write/re-tool most of his scripts himself.
If you watch some subtleties of Hayden's performance he did pick up David Prowse's walking style and some other hand motions very well. Besides some really bad dialogue especially in Attack of the Clones, he just didn't have that broad sense of power and conflict that Anakin Skywalker should have had.

I will be the first to admit that I do like the prequels in different ways

1) Phantom Menace - I think they tried to make it to cutesy and child friendly, they really should have started Anakin's story later in life and if they could have made the slave life harsher. It just felt like he and his mother were adopted and not enslaved. The dialogue was wooden, Lucas has never learned language subtly, I think it comes from not trusting his actors. Jar Jar Binks was an acknowledged mistake that he fixed later on. Ian, Liam and Ewan were solid in this movie with Ian playing both the role of Palpatine and the growly Sideous. The Nemodian's were really bad villians and I think they had trouble with the head gear. The Star Fighter fight wasn't good, but the duel between Jedi and Sith were incredible with the exchange between Maul and Kenobi being incredibly well done.

Best scene - When Padme decides to go home and Palpatine begs her to stay where its safe. When she turns her back, Palpatines head comes up and a sly smile plays across his face.

Worst scene - Pretty much any scene with Binks in it.

Attack 0f the Clones - I was excited about this movie when I first started seeing spoilers. We had heard about the Clone Wars but the direction that they took was unexpected but in a way logical. Portman was still incredibly wooden, I just don't know if she's capable of being a action heroine. Ewan's grasp of Kenobi really took off. We got our first view of Padawn Skywalker. But whether it was the writing you just weren't convinced of that seething darkside rage underneath his heroic experience. When he went on the hunt for his mother he should have been like a force hurricane destroying everything in his way.

Ian McDarmid was absolutely great in his role as he manipulated Binks into granting him emergency powers which was so important to his overall plans. We saw little of Sideous except at the very end of the movie. I liked Count Dooku and Christopher Lee's portrayal of him, he was corrupt and knew it and evil and knew it. Samuel L Jackson had a small cameo but did everything that was expected except to call Dooku a mother%%%%%% and I was waiting for that.

The pacing was off because they threw the whole Ani Padme romance in, it had to happen as Anakin falling in love was central to his fall. But because there was no chemistry between Portman and Christenson it just felt flat.

Best scenes - I still love the scene where the new Republic army attacks the arena and hell breaks lose. I also loved the scene where we see the ships leaving Coruscant. We again see Palpatine watching the take off and Bail Organa hitting his fist on the railing in frustration. Jar Jar dooms the galaxy

Worst scene - That sand discussion between Ani and Padme was terrible.

Revenge of the Sith - I actually have this down as the third best movie in the series behind ANH and Empire. Everything comes together. It started so strong with an amazing looking battle scene. They tried to be a little too comical in the Palpatine rescue scene though. And we saw a brilliant bit of subtlety when Dooku realizes that he's been sold out by Palpatine. I wasn't nuts about Grievous. They could have found a way to make him a lot darker and menacing. When they edited out the scene where he executed Shaak-Ti to watch her die they missed a great chance to really develop that character. Ewan continued his amazing performance. Portman looked like she completely threw in the towel on her performance. I thought they did some great things. The opera scene with Palpatine and Anakin was breathtakingly good thanks to McDarmid's story telling.

The Jedi Council scene where Ani losses control could have been done much better with a stronger acting performance. We should have seen Vader in the whole this is outrageous scene, and the scene afterwords where Anakin confronts Kenobi.

We saw a good seduction scene by Palpatine that could have been fleshed out more, but when he smiles at Anakin after Anikin tells him that he's telling the Jedi you know that night is starting to fall.

The Mace Palpatine fight was a bit awkward both because they CGI'd Ian's face onto another's body, but Ian is not physically gifted so that fight wasn't as powerful as it should be. But Palpatine basically throwing the fight as Anakin walks in reminded you about how good of a schemer the future Emperor is.

Now I didn't like Palpatines transformation into the Emperor, I guess the frankenstein feel of it just didn't work for me.

I also didn't understand the half a$$ed scene where Anakin slaughtered the younglings. They were desperately trying not to get a no rating, but it just didn't make it feel menacing, though the scene where Vader strides up the stairs of the temple with Stormtroopers in tow was awesome to look at.

The duel between Vader and Sideous was well done, but the duel between Anakin and Kenobi was exceptional though it ended clumsily with the whole high ground thing. Also Anakin choking Padme out could have been stronger, in the book it described Vader as seeing how small she was as a person and how she'd betrayed him. You got the thought in the movie that he thought that she and ben were shaking matresses.

I loved the scene where Vader was put in the suit. The final site of Anakins burned face were his eyes narrowing in hatred and resolve as he was sealed in the suit forever. The NOOOO scene killed me.

On the other hand the Luke and Leia birth scene was ok, but the whole will to live thing was just poorly thought out, considering that Leia remember her mother as sad in ROTJ.

I loved the last scenes with Padme's funeral, Vader on the bridge of a star destroyer and Obiwan handing Luke off to Owen and Beru.

Favorite scene - So many, but honestly the scene where Vader strides across the bridge of a star destroyer to stand forever trapped by his master sent chills down my side.

Worst scene - The love is blind scene between Anakin and Padme was groaningly terrible.
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I agree that Christensen seemed to try and emulate some Vader mannerism. Even the fact that he really didn't say a whole lot. But I also thought that could be a character trait more akin to an older, likely regretful, Vader.

I disagree with the building of Vader scene though. I thought that whole scene was half-assed except for the 10 seconds where you see him up close, all the sound stops, and all you hear is his breathing. That was awesome and haunting. But the terrible animation, the animated scarred Anakin, and then ultimately the animated Vader. You're telling me they couldn't have put make up on Christensen to make him look burned? Or they couldn't put someone in a Darth Vader costume and get them to scream out NOOO? Just lazy IMO. And endlessly pisses me off in a movie that I actually quite like.

I don't mind Ep. 1. I HATE Ep.2. I think Ep.3 was really good and had the potential to be great, just too many shortcuts. And for a guy that made the first movies with puppets and toys, it really surprises me that Lucas went so bat#### with the far inferior animation. It wasn't even that he used it, its that it looked terrible.
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My view of the prequels:

Episode 1: Bad outside of the Fight between Qui-Gon, Obi Wan and Maul

Episode 2: Still bad. The romance scenes between Padme and Anakin where just brutal to watch.

Episode 3: Best of the three obviously. The fights between Obi Wan and Anakin as well as Yoda and Sidious are epic. But yeah the dialog is still pretty bad.
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Episode 2 also had the yoda/dooku fight which was awesome
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Episode 2 also had the yoda/dooku fight which was awesome
Yeah the lightsaber fights where all awesome in the movies minus A new hope.
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I for one hope they remove the CGI from the fight sequences, it just makes they look so bad and cheaply done. I know it's hard making it work properly with old men like Christopher Lee, Neeson, Guinness, and everyone else but they should just use stunt men or whatever and make it look authentic. While I liked the scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan at the end of Revenge of the Sith, when you watch it today it looks pretty bad honestly. The less CGI they use the better imo.
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I for one hope they remove the CGI from the fight sequences, it just makes they look so bad and cheaply done. I know it's hard making it work properly with old men like Christopher Lee, Neeson, Guinness, and everyone else but they should just use stunt men or whatever and make it look authentic. While I liked the scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan at the end of Revenge of the Sith, when you watch it today it looks pretty bad honestly. The less CGI they use the better imo.
Totally agreed. The first film was done on film, which gives it a surreal effect. I will never forget watching that movie over and over on the VCR which would only let your FFWD to the end of the reel to cause a rewind sequence.

In some ways I like the blending of the District 9 filming which seems real, with CGI as needed.
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Peter Jackson is incapable of telling a story in a single movie. Look at what happend when he tried to cap off Return of the King... It ended up being the most drawn out thing I've ever seen.
To each his own. Every scene of this was breathtaking and very well calculated. There was so much depth to the writing and the on-screen interpretation. I just don't understand why you think a single frame was wasted. Peter Jackson is an outstanding director who has successfully accomplished in film making, the almost impossible interpretation, of the JRR Tolkien series. Now the Hobbit remains to be scene.

I personally cannot wait for Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Han Solo. The sheer disgust of his sell out on the acting trade for money will capture the essence of the original.

The only real outstanding question is what role will Johnny Depp play. Maybe a coruscant shake down copper. This series in the hands of Disney will not be good. It needs to be gritty and more to the bladerunner spectrum to survive becoming a roadside attraction.

The obvious studio move would be to re-make the original three.
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To each his own. Every scene of this was breathtaking and very well calculated. There was so much depth to the writing and the on-screen interpretation. I just don't understand why you think a single frame was wasted. Peter Jackson is an outstanding director who has successfully accomplished in film making, the almost impossible interpretation, of the JRR Tolkien series. Now the Hobbit remains to be scene.

I personally cannot wait for Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Han Solo. The sheer disgust of his sell out on the acting trade for money will capture the essence of the original.

The only real outstanding question is what role will Johnny Depp play. Maybe a coruscant shake down copper. This series in the hands of Disney will not be good. It needs to be gritty and more to the bladerunner spectrum to survive becoming a roadside attraction.

The obvious studio move would be to re-make the original three.
I don't think there's any reason whatsoever to remake the original three.

With the exception of the damned Ewoks they were perfect the way they were.

In fact if they made a follow up movie to ROTJ that had two hours of this I would pay a lot of money for it

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I fully blame the acting performances on Lucas. It's obvious that he was just completely uninterested in working with humans at that point. Every actor in that film has delivered fine performances in other movies. Luc Besson got a better performance out of Portman at 13 years old ffs. Even Liam F'in Neeson was flat in that movie.

It's no coincidence that the most interestingly shot scene in the movie, the battle at Geonosis, was directed by some assistants.

The Emperor never should have used a lightsaber and neither should Yoda. The Yoda fight scene was so cartoony and pretty much made one of the most powerful beings in the Star Wars Universe look like a clown.

Lucas is an #######, thinking of this crap is making me upset again. It sucks to care about something when it's obvious that its creator doesn't give a ####. That whole trilogy was the laziest, most convoluted piece of crap ever, I'm so glad it's out of his hands now.
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I fully blame the acting performances on Lucas. It's obvious that he was just completely uninterested in working with humans at that point. Every actor in that film has delivered fine performances in other movies. Luc Besson got a better performance out of Portman at 13 years old ffs. Even Liam F'in Neeson was flat in that movie.

It's no coincidence that the most interestingly shot scene in the movie, the battle at Geonosis, was directed by some assistants.

The Emperor never should have used a lightsaber and neither should Yoda. The Yoda fight scene was so cartoony and pretty much made one of the most powerful beings in the Star Wars Universe look like a clown.

Lucas is an #######, thinking of this crap is making me upset again. It sucks to care about something when it's obvious that its creator doesn't give a ####. That whole trilogy was the laziest, most convoluted piece of crap ever, I'm so glad it's out of his hands now.
I just don't think Lucas understands how human's interact with eachother person-to-person, especially in a romantic setting.

I wonder why.....
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Lucas has an unbelievable vision and a huge imagination, he gets caught in the details. I would agree with that.

The best movie in the series was empire, and that worked because it was his vision with a different director and a writer to clean things up dialogue wise.

I always thought that Carrie Fisher who is an excellent writer herself should have been used to sub write the prequels. She understands the universe and she writes excellent dialogue.

I was poking around today and I heard that they might bring EM for these movies as a possible force ghost to counter the Palpatine possible force ghost.

I'm praying that this is all misdirection, because it sounds like this new set of movies is going to basically say that nobody fricken died permanently and everything that happened over the first 6 doesn't matter because we're too uncreative to do anything but roll out the old formula.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I'm a pretty strict Star Wars traditionalist, but this new movie could be bad.
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