Kirk Cameron Attacks Stephen Hawking

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Originally Posted by transplant99

No I cant but i can certainly have an opinion about it...i think.

Sure, but the less information an opinion is based on the less meaningful it is, and we very little here (in the way of understanding what's inside the kid's brain).

Originally Posted by transplant99

You were a preacher/sermonizer/whatever it was, so maybe you believe that to be true and maybe thats what it was meant to portray...i honestly have no idea.

i have heard the LP hundreds of times in my life, and not once ever did I come to that conclusion, but then again it wasnt worth my time to analyze it as such as I never gave that stuff a second thought.

Different people interpret it differently. A more liberal interpretation is the kingdom of god is in our hearts. Or some say thy kingdom come is a metaphor for subjection of will to God.

To me Jesus was an apocalypticist, and the context of the time was the imminent destruction of the world of men was close at hand and Jesus would soon return to usher in the Kingdom of God, which a good number of Christians still believe.

Not to mention the other parts.. "thy will be done", abdication of self to the totalitarian rule.

Or the notion of sin and God being the one to forgive them.

There's lots not to like

[Thor]

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Well, I walked with my class tonight. Though they did say a prayer, I did have supporters. No boo'ing, it all went better than expected.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I agree with you completely about this being a live and let live thing, but why must it be the atheist who has to compromise and be subjected to unconstitutional state-sanctioned religious prayer rather than the other way around? Why couldn't the Christians attend a religion-free, secular graduation ceremony respectful of everyone's beliefs and have an optional prayer session off school property either before or after the event?

You already know the answer to that...was never gonna happen the way you or I would have liked. Ever. Majority rules for these folks...period.

Again..I live here...I know what sort of fire this kind of stuff brings out in the Baptists (in particular and I assumed these were baptists without even looking for sure) and they feel (yes for real) that they are getting persecuted because of many recent court decisions. They are a very organized and determined bunch, no denying that.

(And BTW, I live in likely the most liberal area of the South as exists)

A common bumper sticker to see around these parts is "We still pray" and yet another that says "We still celebrate Christmas". One thing I learned quickly down here is never ever utter the words "god damnit" in any case. Its sacreligious to them (just an example). There is lots of that kind of stuff for the diehards...and they are everywhere. Someone once told me that in this county of some 230,000 people...there are well over 200 baptist churches, just to give you an idea. That doesnt include all the other ones..catholic, lutheran etc etc.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

(And BTW, I live in likely the most liberal area of the South as exists)

You live in New Orleans?

I've found that most churches in the South (especially white Southern Baptist) are little more than glorified social clubs. People go to be seen, make an appearance so others in town won't gossip about them, figure out what that latest buzzwords/catchphrases are that can distinguish them from other churches/non practicing folks, etc.

Conveniently, the late service is finishing up at the exact same time the race or the football game starts... Serendipity.

It's really quite comical, or tragic. However you choose to look at it.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Here is the quote...what part do you disagree with?





Huh? Yes, he made lots of people angry...do you disagree? Not my story...just what was printed.




When people around you decide tos tart talking and/or praying Im not sure what else you can do. Im not christian either, but I have been exposed to many a prayer and never thought twice about it. Other than that, you dont. If the school sanctioned this prayer then you have a case, but when individual students lead it and from the sounds of it everyone else joins in...not sure what you can do.

So you're saying you agree with his case? Cause that's what happened.

Edit: Late, the precedence was cited a couple pages back.

[Calgaryborn]

So how many of you atheists were all upset because the graduation committee were going to put atheist boy last in the precedings? You claimed it was so people could boo him longer.

That didn't make sense to me because being last would have limited the time when he was in the lime light. I mean if he came on stage early to a round of boos he would then have had to sit just off the stage faceing everyone for the rest of the ceremony.

Well now it has been reported that no one booed him. The christian town folks were better than that.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

You live in New Orleans?

I've found that most churches in the South (especially white Southern Baptist) are little more than glorified social clubs. People go to be seen, make an appearance so others in town won't gossip about them, figure out what that latest buzzwords/catchphrases are that can distinguish them from other churches/non practicing folks, etc.

Conveniently, the late service is finishing up at the exact same time the race or the football game starts... Serendipity.

It's really quite comical, or tragic. However you choose to look at it.

North Carolina

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Wow the Valedictorian has already been mocked for her wieght and supposed stupidity. I can see where atheist boy gets his bitterness from.

Um, no... I am just as big as her. The thing is I don't see gluttony as a sin, it may be unhealthy but not a sin. I asked why are you not following your book and pointing out what is an obvious sin? One in the eyes if the lord is equal to murder?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So how many of you atheists were all upset because the graduation committee were going to put atheist boy last in the precedings? You claimed it was so people could boo him longer.

That didn't make sense to me because being last would have limited the time when he was in the lime light. I mean if he came on stage early to a round of boos he would then have had to sit just off the stage faceing everyone for the rest of the ceremony.

Well now it has been reported that no one booed him. The christian town folks were better than that.

Nah, they were just preoccupied in trying to figure out what to say to Jesus on his first visit to earth in 2000+ years

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Not really. Mike's blond girlfriend was hot. Too bad the religious nut had her kicked off the show because she posed in Playboy. His replacement girlfriend wasn't as hot.

The replacement girl friend is his real life wife now and just as bug a nut job as he us.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Um, no... I am just as big as her. The thing is I don't see gluttony as a sin, it may be unhealthy but not a sin. I asked why are you not following your book and pointing out what is an obvious sin? One in the eyes if the lord is equal to murder?

Since you are an expert on "my book" please show me where it says I'm suppose to point out this girl's hypothetical sin on this web site.

You do realize that excessive wieght can be caused by other things other than gluttony. I guess people like you(without a book) have no moral compass that keeps them from judging recklessly.

[photon]

Towns folk didn't boo as they were too tired. All the other persecuting and condemnationing was tiring work!

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I guess people like you(without a book) have no moral compass that keeps them from judging recklessly.

So then CB, in your opinion are Christians more "moral" than agnostics / atheists who do not obey the book?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by photon

Towns folk didn't boo as they were too tired. All the other persecuting and condemnationing was tiring work!

Lacks the stamina of an atheist with a pocket full of ACLU lawyers.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Since you are an expert on "my book" please show me where it says I'm suppose to point out this girl's hypothetical sin on this web site.

You do realize that excessive wieght can be caused by other things other than gluttony. I guess people like you(without a book) have no moral compass that keeps them from judging recklessly.

Ah, yes, the ol' classic. This claim always cracks me up.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Lacks the stamina of an atheist with a pocket full of ACLU lawyers.

Replace atheist with people (since there are people from all religions including Christianity supporting the kid), and ACLU lawyers with Supreme Court and Constitution, and you'll have something.

Seems like it was a bad prayer day in general:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/b...0/bradlee_dean

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

So then CB, in your opinion are Christians more "moral" than agnostics / atheists who do not obey the book?

In my opinion Christians are forgiven. That is the big difference.

I've never seen any studies that had the proper apparatus to tell the difference between a christian who is one in name only, a christian who is saved but cardinal and, a christian who is Spirit filled.

One perk a christian has is that he knows when he has missed the mark. An agnostic or an atheist can more easily just move the goal posts. I suppose christians do that too but, it is a lot easier to know your deceiving yourself. This is beneficial because all sin leads to loss. This is true for the lost and the saved alike.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by photon

Replace atheist with people (since there are people from all religions including Christianity supporting the kid), and ACLU lawyers with Supreme Court and Constitution, and you'll have something.

Seems like it was a bad prayer day in general:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/b...0/bradlee_dean

Nope I said it right the first time.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

In my opinion Christians are forgiven. That is the big difference.

I've never seen any studies that had the proper apparatus to tell the difference between a christian who is one in name only, a christian who is saved but cardinal and, a christian who is Spirit filled.

One perk a christian has is that he knows when he has missed the mark. An agnostic or an atheist can more easily just move the goal posts. I suppose christians do that too but, it is a lot easier to know your deceiving yourself. This is beneficial because all sin leads to loss. This is true for the lost and the saved alike.

Hmmm... Who is judging now?

You can call it moving the goal posts, but in reality it is just called common sence.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Nope I said it right the first time.

Yeah, except you didn't. Bt hey, ignorance of fact is pretty much what you seem to hang your hat on.