2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

The team is playing great... But we should still do the right thing and trade someone like Andersson at the deadline this year. Don't get slept into keeping him and selling him in the off season, when he will certainly be worth less in a trade. We can't win the cup this year, we may make the playoffs but can do that even without andersson. We can bring up Solovyov and let him run on the D squad. Maybe we even get a piece like Byram back for Andersson and move on that way.

Don't let the team playing well (on the backs of Wolf and the other rookies mind you) dissuade us from the ultimate goal of building a contender in time for the new building to open. We can only do that if we sell the current crop of guys at max value. Rasmus max value is before the deadline this season.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The team is playing great... But we should still do the right thing and trade someone like Andersson at the deadline this year. Don't get slept into keeping him and selling him in the off season, when he will certainly be worth less in a trade. We can't win the cup this year, we may make the playoffs but can do that even without andersson. We can bring up Solovyov and let him run on the D squad. Maybe we even get a piece like Byram back for Andersson and move on that way.

Don't let the team playing well (on the backs of Wolf and the other rookies mind you) dissuade us from the ultimate goal of building a contender in time for the new building to open. We can only do that if we sell the current crop of guys at max value. Rasmus max value is before the deadline this season.

I think you need to understand the difference between ‘we’ and ‘they’.

‘We’ are not the Calgary Flames, ‘they’ are.

Sounds like you are about to get wound up about things you have no control over. It will be what it will be, man.

[Bonded]

I don’t think they trade Andersson if they are close to the playoffs at the deadline because it will shift every D up a pair and they are already playing above where they should be. Solovyov is no where close to a replacement for Andersson and suggesting so is laughable.
An Andersson for Byram swap would be good but no way Andersson is waiving for them if he has them on his NTC and I’m guessing he does.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Shoulders never heal properly. Unfortunately

Amen to that...

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think you need to understand the difference between ‘we’ and ‘they’.

‘We’ are not the Calgary Flames, ‘they’ are.

Sounds like you are about to get wound up about things you have no control over. It will be what it will be, man.

I feel as though I could have written this response for you as an addendum to my own post. I already knew you would write it as I was typing. Nothing if not predictable my good man!

Is it a good idea for a franchise to divorce itself so wantonly from the fans? Isn't an ideal scenario the fans feeling like a "we"? We would buy more merchandise and pay for more tickets that way, no doubt.

Unlike some folks, I am an adult and able to separate feelings in my life. So I can indeed get wound up over how I feel the franchise is being mismanaged at an absolutely critical juncture without it effecting my daily life at all. I am even still watching and enjoying great hockey games!

But, it's hard not to be deeply concerned that the mirage of a playoff berth will keep the team from doing the right thing. They've consistently not done the right thing in this regard for 30 years. Conroy said he wouldn't get blinded at begining of season, but indications from his more recent interviews and Edwards' interview seem to show that they are going to make that same pattern of mistakes again. I don't think it's unreasonable to optimistically hope and shout into the universe that they don't make the mistake.

Bonded,

Yes, Solovyov isn't Rasmus Andersson. But we should give Solovyov a shot like we gave coronato, Kerins... He is performing well and deserves it. Our youth have carried the team this year. And it also doesnt actually matter long term if we make the playoffs- this is where the ownership of the team and the fans seem to disagree.
It would be better for the longterm health of the franchise to trade andersson and see if Solovyov can fill even 75 % of the gap. I think he might be able to, and if not, oh well! Slightly better draft pick.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It would be better for the longterm health of the franchise to trade andersson and see if Solovyov can fill even 75 % of the gap. I think he might be able to, and if not, oh well! Slightly better draft pick.

They don't need to trade Andersson to give Solovyov a chance. He needs to take Bean's spot or something. If they are close to the playoffs at the deadline than trading Andersson likely leads them to having the Flames give their pick to Montreal and ending up in a worse spot draft wise.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The team is playing great... But we should still do the right thing and trade someone like Andersson at the deadline this year. Don't get slept into keeping him and selling him in the off season, when he will certainly be worth less in a trade. We can't win the cup this year, we may make the playoffs but can do that even without andersson. We can bring up Solovyov and let him run on the D squad. Maybe we even get a piece like Byram back for Andersson and move on that way.

Don't let the team playing well (on the backs of Wolf and the other rookies mind you) dissuade us from the ultimate goal of building a contender in time for the new building to open. We can only do that if we sell the current crop of guys at max value. Rasmus max value is before the deadline this season.

On what basis can you state these things with such certainty?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

On what basis can you state these things with such certainty?

2 playoffs at controlled contract cost v/ less. It's very simple.

[Enoch Root]

Whether they trade him now(ish), or at the deadline, or in the summer, we have no way of knowing which would garner the best return. Value ebbs and flows, depending on supply and demand, which we can't predict. The only sensible assumption is that the returns would be similar for all 3. And the only sensible strategy for Conroy is to continually assess his options, and try to make a good decision.

[Monahammer]

Thats a completely unreasonable position to take looking at historical trade values around the league, but you continually choose to do that ER so no surprise!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Thats a completely unreasonable position to take looking at historical trade values around the league, but you continually choose to do that ER so no surprise!

….but you don’t know that.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The team is playing great... But we should still do the right thing and trade someone like Andersson at the deadline this year. Don't get slept into keeping him and selling him in the off season, when he will certainly be worth less in a trade. We can't win the cup this year, we may make the playoffs but can do that even without andersson. We can bring up Solovyov and let him run on the D squad. Maybe we even get a piece like Byram back for Andersson and move on that way.

Don't let the team playing well (on the backs of Wolf and the other rookies mind you) dissuade us from the ultimate goal of building a contender in time for the new building to open. We can only do that if we sell the current crop of guys at max value. Rasmus max value is before the deadline this season.

Disagree. Andersson's value will be very high but I do not think it will be dramatically higher this deadline versus July 1st. You have to keep in mind that either way you are not trading Andersson as a rental because he has another year on his contract.

Trading Andersson on UFA day will give you more suitors as teams will all have cap space and roster spots to fill and many contenders will be interested in a top pairing D option that could be had for super cheap if the Flames are willing to retain. Also, Andersson could be traded with a contract extension which would add even more value as the receiving team would get that cheap player for a year and know that they get to keep the player for 8 more years after.

Even if you want to disagree on Andersson being a top pair defender, at worst he is an excellent second pairing guy who can run your second PP. That is a valueable addition to any team's core. Also, if Andersson's career following the Giordano path he could hold most of his value throughout his 30s.

Maximum value for Andersson would be to trade him on July 1st, with full retention, and a contract extension in place. Basically the receiving team would be winning July 1st 2025 and July 1st 2026 as they would be acquiring one of the best RD available.

[Bonded]

It is likely that value ledges are this deadline, this offseason, and next deadline but the difference between this deadline and the offseason could be really wide or really narrow. If a team trades for Andersson in the offseason they can do so with an extension in place and that might make them pay a similar value.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Thats a completely unreasonable position to take looking at historical trade values around the league, but you continually choose to do that ER so no surprise!

You must see some value, present and future, to keeping Andersson for a playoff run. And if they do the right thing and trade him in the offseason, whatever marginal loss in value that they give up would be made up for by the continual development of young players through the leadership a guy like Andersson provides. As well as a clear boost in their odds to make the playoffs and win a round, which is inarguable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Thats a completely unreasonable position to take looking at historical trade values around the league, but you continually choose to do that ER so no surprise!

Saying we don't know what the returns might be in the future is a 'completely unreasonable position to take'? Okay then.

I was actually directing my post at Jiri, because he is now flipping his argument from the other thread, where he was arguing that trading him now would result in a lesser return.

My argument is, and has been, that the return for Andersson will be what it is, and will likely not differ much between now and the deadline (or the summer). However, trading him sooner increases the chances that we finish top 10, which would have a greater impact on organizational return than when we trade Andersson does.

[Badgers Nose]

Flames long term future will be fine if they miss out on a top ten pick in a weak draft year. With or without the playoffs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Trading him now to the deadline or summer probably gets you the best return. A team knows they have him for now and a playoff run this year and next, allowing them to fill another hole if they need to.

If we wait till the deadline, he will be rental and likely bring back less.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Trading him now to the deadline or summer probably gets you the best return. A team knows they have him for now and a playoff run this year and next, allowing them to fill another hole if they need to.

If we wait till the deadline, he will be rental and likely bring back less.

Yeah, next deadline will be the Hanifin return and if that is all they are getting offered right now then they may as well keep him.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Flames long term future will be fine if they miss out on a top ten pick in a weak draft year. With or without the playoffs.

For me this isn't a weak draft at all, there are 9 really good forwards at the top end of the draft at least.

That said it's not like the Flames have any choice in the matter, Treliving gave our pick away... as of right now we'll be holding two picks in the 20s and lose the pick in the lower teens.

Always pretty tough to trade into the top 10 but with the extra 1st and extra 2nd the team can probably move up, just don't know if there's enough ammo to get a top 10. Draft pick calculator says two picks in the low to mid 20s and our early 2nd are worth about pick #9 overall though fwiw.

Flames definitely need a high end forward prospect over quantity right now and so if they can package those three picks to jump up and get a potential 1C like Ryabkin, Desnoyers or Frondell that would be fantastic.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Flames long term future will be fine if they miss out on a top ten pick in a weak draft year. With or without the playoffs.

Is this years top 10 weak, or is the draft at large considered weak?

I think there’s a pretty strong group at the top of the draft (top 6-ish)but outside of that it may not be so strong.

Schafer
Haegens
Martone
Frondell
Misa
McQueen
Rybkin

All sound like quality high end picks off the top of my head. Admittedly, I’m just reading pre-draft hype which is often overblown.