Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That’s completely different.
But your premise is based upon the fact that they’re negotiating.
Of course they are. Anything else is nonsense.

Hypothetical:
What if Johnny says 12, and they don’t negotiate like you say, and because of that they lose Chucky.
Would it be better to not negotiate, or try to get him down a bit to get Chucky too?

Or nickel and dime him and lose him and trade Tkachuk because the Flames try to rebuild on the fly with Johnny gone. That is a third option.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You said him being fired would be good for the organization

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I had to put you on ignore for a month (never done this to anyone over decades here which shows how annoying you are) because your apologist takes kind of ruin a lot of threads. Next time will be permanent as you just don't let other people have a take and it just gets annoying.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Maybe Tre has his eye on something else that is more appealing to him if Johnny signs. Dream is 1C.

We already have a #1C. We need a #2 C.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

to be clear, I don't care all that much for Treliving either. I think there's better GMs in the league, but certainly worse ones too. He's had a few stinkers, but he's also signed, drafted or traded for most of the current core that just had an outstanding regular season. If they replaced him tomorrow, I don't think I'd lose too much sleep, mainly because he's been here for over 8 years and I wouldn't mind some fresh air.

what I called out is that some people on here seem to have that image in their head that, no matter what happens, it absolutely has to be Treliving's fault, and the narrative therefore has to be adjusted accordingly. And yeah, that's tiresome.

There are things out of Treliving's control but the current situation is all on him. He went all-in this season and I get it. They didn't advance past the 2nd round and there's a price to be paid on going all-in and failing. I just think there's been too many failures and miscalculations over his tenure. He's built a good roster but he's been unable to make moves to put it over the top and as one of the longest tenured GMs in the league yet none of his teams have advanced past the 2nd round. He would be fired in any other market outside of Winnipeg for those results and he's lucky that Flames fans in general have pretty low expectations given how bad the organization has been over the last 3 decades.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We already have a #1C. We need a #2 C.

I would be ok with having two 1Cs

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I had to put you on ignore for a month (never done this to anyone over decades here which shows how annoying you are) because your apologist takes kind of ruin a lot of threads. Next time will be permanent as you just don't let other people have a take and it just gets annoying.

Lol you don't think anyone has ever put you on ignore? Go ahead by the way

GM is ranked pretty high around the league...Flames apologists voting I guess

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There are things out of Treliving's control but the current situation is all on him. He went all-in this season and I get it. They didn't advance past the 2nd round and there's a price to be paid on going all-in and failing. I just think there's been too many failures and miscalculations over his tenure. He's built a good roster but he's been unable to make moves to put it over the top and as one of the longest tenured GMs in the league yet none of his teams have advanced past the 2nd round. He would be fired in any other market outside of Winnipeg for those results and he's lucky that Flames fans in general have pretty low expectations given how bad the organization has been over the last 3 decades.

I wonder what the playoff series victories to years served is for GM’s who have had their jobs for 7+ years. Usually for that type of longevity you have multiple deep runs or at least one in the case of Winnipeg.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I would be ok with having two 1Cs

For sure, however there is no chance they would have the cap space for another 1st line forward

Especially if they sign Gaudreau and Tkachuk

If that occurs they will be hard pressed to sign their remaining RFAs and find a way to improve their defense

[Heavy Jack]

It’s just crazy to me how different the Flames could be depending on this one decision JG ends up making. Please keep the Johnny Hockey highlights coming JG, can’t imagine him in another uni.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I know I keep harping on this but it really hinges on the role ownership plays in the GM's approach. I personally don't believe ownership gave BT the option to trade Johnny. They accepted the risk that they are now confronted with. But I can't imagine any of this happening without, at minimum, them signing off, and at worst, having direct influence.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I know I keep harping on this but it really hinges on the role ownership plays in the GM's approach. I personally don't believe ownership gave BT the option to trade Johnny. They accepted the risk that they are not confronted with. But I can't imagine any of this happening without, at minimum, them signing off, and at worst, having direct influence.

That is probably true, much like they probably told him to hire Sutter I suspect they were deeply involved in how the team handled Johnny last summer.

[Heavy Jack]

Man I could really use another CP rumour about this that’s positive in nature! Lol

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Man I could really use another CP rumour about this that’s positive in nature! Lol

Tomorrow and Tuesday gonna be ass clinching days.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is probably true, much like they probably told him to hire Sutter I suspect they were deeply involved in how the team handled Johnny last summer.

We’ve been over this and over this and over this…but ya, I would expect ownership had lots of involvement in hiring a guy they previously hired and fired.


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[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You said him being fired would be good for the organization. Like who the heck would come here... especially after firing a division winning GM. Wasn't Brad top 5 in GM of the year voting.

Brunette was second in Jack Adams voting and he didn't get an extension in Florida and rightly so, the success wasn't his doing it was Quenneville's. And let's be honest it was the same thing here, it was if not all Sutter's doing, for sure the majority part. And although they did win a round this time, Treliving has had almost no playoffs success during his near decade here, which should be the biggest indicator of success. So I really fail to see how firing Treliving and getting a new set of eyes on board would send the organization burning down in flames.

[agulati]

I was really hoping we would have some closure on this over the weekend. Doesn’t look like that is going to happen.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I know I keep harping on this but it really hinges on the role ownership plays in the GM's approach. I personally don't believe ownership gave BT the option to trade Johnny. They accepted the risk that they are now confronted with. But I can't imagine any of this happening without, at minimum, them signing off, and at worst, having direct influence.

There is zero organizational blame at any level, if JG decides to go east. Zero.

The organization has treated him like a superstar and you don't go messing with trade options if that's how you feel about the player and not only has he not explicitly told you to trade him or that no way is he resigning, he's expressed genuine interest in staying.

Especially as that player is also cognizant and a main reason for staying is attracted by the legacy of being a life long Flame and having a current team situation where they are in the Cup running with the roster and coaching.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I know I keep harping on this but it really hinges on the role ownership plays in the GM's approach. I personally don't believe ownership gave BT the option to trade Johnny. They accepted the risk that they are now confronted with. But I can't imagine any of this happening without, at minimum, them signing off, and at worst, having direct influence.

Possible but really hard to say. The only ownership mandate that’s been consistent over the decades is to make the playoffs. I just think Treliving loves his guys and is too attached. Part of the reason I’d like a new GM is for a fresh perspective that isn’t attached to any players in the organization.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I know I keep harping on this but it really hinges on the role ownership plays in the GM's approach. I personally don't believe ownership gave BT the option to trade Johnny. They accepted the risk that they are now confronted with. But I can't imagine any of this happening without, at minimum, them signing off, and at worst, having direct influence.

I recall chatter during Tre's last contract extension, but I don't recall if it was legit or if it was never confirmed, that he had asked for more autonomy as it relates to contracts and trades (with likely some obvious limits that must go to ownership). I wonder if this was an actual thing?

[topfiverecords]

Anyone expecting this not to go down to the wire have been unnecessarily fooling themselves. If he wants 8 years here it’ll come just before free agency opens on Wednesday. If he’s not bothered with 8, he’s the #1 UFA target and this will go well beyond Wednesday with other teams adding their negotiations into the mix.