Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Apparently 2.5% of abortions in Canada are after 21 weeks. Presumably the vast majority of those are done for safety or medical reasons. So really, Max just wants to torture women. What a brave strong man.


https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/media/posit...-Abortions.pdf

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Tell you what, you find me the last federal party that has gotten 50+% of the vote, and you can make that statement actually mean something.

Last party that has gotten over 50% of the popular vote is Mulroney's 1984 PC party.

Why are you focusing so much on party over policies the espouse? The majority of Canadians don’t want what any of the current right of centre parties are selling.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Max Bernier says: "Move left? Suckers, I'm moving even more to the right!"
Tell me you don't want to win an election without telling me. Like holy sh-t, read the room.

You know how they have that guy in Parliament with a big Mace? He should be allowed to hit people with that thing.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Why are you focusing so much on party over policies the espouse? The majority of Canadians don’t want what any of the current right of centre parties are selling.

Because making fallacious statements like "Majority of Canadians voted again CPC policies" can apply to all parties in the last 39 years?

82% of Canadians voted against NDP policies. Liberals are to the right of NDP, as such the large majority of Canadians are to the right of the NDP and do not want extremist NDP policies.

Do you agree with that statement? It's accurate.

And you also realize this discussion and fallacious statement arose as a result of a party poll which has the CPC at the lead that simply couldn't be left unchallenged?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Max Bernier says: "Move left? Suckers, I'm moving even more to the right!"
Tell me you don't want to win an election without telling me. Like holy sh-t, read the room.

I disagree with his position, but I'm fine with his approach. He's just putting his views and values out there for the electorate to evaluate. I find it preferable to candidates publicly standing for whatever they think will land the most voters even though it's quite unlike their values and beliefs. He'll lose, but on the basis of the merit of his ideas rather than the quality of his marketing competence. That's also how it would be nice to see people win.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I disagree with his position, but I'm fine with his approach. He's just putting his views and values out there for the electorate to evaluate.

Exactly this. I'd much rather people like him be open about his bat#### views than try to be disingenuous about it. He's a total slimeball, but at least he's openly a slimeball that you can spot from a mile away.

[rubecube]

He's either a moron or just straight up lying (most likely the latter). Bottom line is that what he's proposing is going to kill even more people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...pply-1.6848116

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre introduced a motion to the House of Commons Thursday calling on the Liberal government to halt all programs providing non-toxic drugs to those suffering with addictions and redirect funding to treatment services.

"Crime and chaos, drugs and disorder rage in our streets. Nowhere is this worse than in the opioid overdose crisis that has expanded so dramatically in the last several years," Poilievre told the House of Commons on Thursday morning.

The Conservative leader said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, backed by "tax-funded" activists, big pharma and others, is wrong to argue that providing addicted persons "powerful heroin-like drugs that are uncontaminated" will steer them away from street drugs.

"We're told that giving out and decriminalizing hard drugs would reduce drug overdoses," Poilievre told the House. "These so-called experts are typically pie in the sky theorists with no experience getting people off drugs or they're members of the misery industry; those paid activists and public health bureaucrats whose jobs depend on the crisis continuing."

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Max Bernier says: "Move left? Suckers, I'm moving even more to the right!"
Tell me you don't want to win an election without telling me. Like holy sh-t, read the room.

You seriously think Max is trying to win an election?
He's trying to win a seat or two and get a foothold.

Also, is "tell me without telling me" still a thing?

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Max Bernier says: "Move left? Suckers, I'm moving even more to the right!"
Tell me you don't want to win an election without telling me. Like holy sh-t, read the room.

He is...Manitoba is Baptist central and this will resonate. He is just trying to win a couple of seats in hope of being a tie breaker in a close seat count where he gets disproportionate power...

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He's either a moron or just straight up lying (most likely the latter). Bottom line is that what he's proposing is going to kill even more people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...pply-1.6848116

The program is working so well why look to change it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Yoho

The program is working so well why look to change it.

Another mush-brained take from CP's most feeble-minded clown.

Do you understand anything about how opioid withdrawal works? He's stigmatizing suboxone and methodone. If you do not have safe alternatives to help people to use to come off from heroin, etc., they can die from the toll withdrawal takes on their bodies.

Furthermore, the BC Coroner has said there's no evidence that people are dying from safe supply. It's still toxic street drugs that are the cause of almost all overdoses.

But this is nothing new from the CPC. Harper went hard after safe injection sites. They see addicts as essentially subhuman.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Because making fallacious statements like "Majority of Canadians voted again CPC policies" can apply to all parties in the last 39 years?

82% of Canadians voted against NDP policies. Liberals are to the right of NDP, as such the large majority of Canadians are to the right of the NDP and do not want extremist NDP policies.

Do you agree with that statement? It's accurate.

And you also realize this discussion and fallacious statement arose as a result of a party poll which has the CPC at the lead that simply couldn't be left unchallenged?

The Liberals and NDP have similar views on social issues. I don't think that's really debatable and, if you polled Canadians individually on those issues, a large majority would be to the left of the CPC.

The inverse is true with economic policies, where the vast majority are to the right of the NDP. The difference between the CPC and the NDP is the CPC continues to move right on social issues, where there are minimal votes to be captured, and the NDP has shifted right economically in the hope of capturing disenchanted Liberal voters.

One demo I'm curious about in terms of the pollsters is youth voter turnout. We've seen in both the last few Canadian and U.S. elections that the youth turnout is what swings elections. Trudeau's biggest win coincided with the highest 18-24 turnout in years. Biden's win in 2020, and the Democrats performing better than expected in 2022 happened largely because of higher than expected young voter turnout.

I think if the Liberals lose in 2025, it'll be because the Liberals have finally done enough to re-induce apathy among younger voters, causing them to stay home. However, my assessment is that most voters aren't really paying attention at the moment. Once the campaign starts and the usual amount of bigots associated with the CPC receive more limelight, the polls will tighten up.

[Yoho]

However you want to justify it and say the sky is plaid it’s not working.

Somthing different needs to be tried.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

One demo I'm curious about in terms of the pollsters is youth voter turnout. We've seen in both the last few Canadian and U.S. elections that the youth turnout is what swings elections. Trudeau's biggest win coincided with the highest 18-24 turnout in years. Biden's win in 2020, and the Democrats performing better than expected in 2022 happened largely because of higher than expected young voter turnout.

I think if the Liberals lose in 2025, it'll be because the Liberals have finally done enough to re-induce apathy among younger voters, causing them to stay home. However, my assessment is that most voters aren't really paying attention at the moment. Once the campaign starts and the usual amount of bigots associated with the CPC receive more limelight, the polls will tighten up.

Yeah, low turnout and apathy has tended to favor the Conservatives in recent history. In the last 30 years (10 elections), the Liberals have won 6 of the 7 with the highest turnout, while Conseratives have primarily been successful in low turnout elections.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Yoho

However you want to justify it and say the sky is plaid it’s not working.

Somthing different needs to be tried.

If you're the type of person who does a complete program evaluation of a pilot program 2.5 years into the program, you clearly don't know the first thing about evidence-based policy analysis. The program simply hasn't been around long enough to do any kind of full quantitative analysis.

Point me to a country that's using the policies that PP is proposing and finding success in battling drug addiction. At least we have real-world examples of safe supply working in other countries.

The problem with Canada's safe supply program isn't the availability of safe supply, it's that we aren't doing anything to address the underlying issues that lead to homelessness and drug addiction.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You seriously think Max is trying to win an election?
He's trying to win a seat or two and get a foothold.

Considering we elect individuals, yeah, that's still trying to win an election.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Yoho

However you want to justify it and say the sky is plaid it’s not working.

Somthing different needs to be tried.

This we agree on.

The something different is increased access to supports: medical, mental health, stable housing, and nutritional needs being met.

A greater financial investment up front to stave off not only greater financial burdens later but to save lives in general.

Frankly we aren't doing enough, and that needs to change.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Because making fallacious statements like "Majority of Canadians voted again CPC policies" can apply to all parties in the last 39 years?

Firstly, I don’t think you understand what fallacious means.

Secondly, in the future when you put something in quotations to try and argue the poster who wrote that is making untrue statements you need to put something they actually wrote in said quotations otherwise you risk coming off as a bull####ter.

82% of Canadians voted against NDP policies. Liberals are to the right of NDP, as such the large majority of Canadians are to the right of the NDP and do not want extremist NDP policies.

Do you agree with that statement? It's accurate.

It’s reasonably accurate aside from your use of that made up left/right political spectrum that people can’t seem to help themselves from believing in despite it’s obvious flaws.

And you also realize this discussion and fallacious statement arose as a result of a party poll which has the CPC at the lead that simply couldn't be left unchallenged?

Credit where it’s due, even though you’ve continued to double down on arbitrarily deciding that things you don’t agree with are fallacious and are now resorting to complaining that people commenting on things that get posted to a message board is some sort of unprecedented or unreasonable action, you did manage to go a few posts without having to resort to calling anyone a liberal apologist.

Seeing as you’re clearly capable of making great progress in one area while still managing to liberally share your opinions, I can’t help but wonder where does a progressive liberal such as yourself land on your fallacy free left/right spectrum?

[Doctorfever]

Our great leader.

Stay classy, Ottawa.


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“This buffoon wants to teach us lessons.”

[Izzle]

Trudeau triggering a fascist is good, no?