Brad Treliving needs to go

[memphusk]

I'm not sure how you can call Calgary in the running for least competent. 2 American players go home. How do you sell them.on a country they don't want to be in? Top 10 players get a say in where they want to go and thats that.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by MrMike

After 2 covid years. Blah.

Honestly though last season was a blast to watch.

Does that regular season really matter when you choked in the playoffs to the Oilers? It's a results based business.

Sure there is luck involved and only one team can will the whole thing, but 3 playoff series wins in 8 years speaks for itself.

[Bingo]

As I said a page or two earlier I think it more likely that he gets removed in the next year or two given how long he's been here (2nd longest tenure in team history).

Sometimes you need a new voice.

I like Treliving though, I think he's done more good than bad.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The more i think about it, the more i believe we are at a good time for a reset.

I have no desire to rehash each and every move. The man is not a fool and every move can be justified at some level for those who want to play that game.. But eight years later, there simply hasn't been enough progress and the decision to build a championship team around Gaudreau at no point seemed like a winner IMO.

I actually agree with the bolded, but exactly 7 days ago many/most people here were on pins and needles hoping he'd continue to build around Gaudreau, and the obnoxious minority are particularly loud about what a failure losing him is.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bingo

As I said a page or two earlier I think it more likely that he gets removed in the next year or two given how long he's been here (2nd longest tenure in team history).

Sometimes you need a new voice.

I like Treliving though, I think he's done more good than bad.

It’s not black and white. He’s done some really good things but his deals involving high picks has been atrocious IMO. His flavour of the month deals like overpaying for Hamonic, speaks to more of an ego and doing whatever it takes to ensure he wins. Normally I wouldn’t have a problem with a desire to outdo someone but when he overpaid for some mediocre players, it killed the possibility of sustainability. On one hand I’ve been happy with his drafting but again, his inability to get high end talent, with handcuffing deals, very challenging. If they keep him I hope he’s learned from his problems.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by fleury

It’s not black and white. He’s done some really good things but his deals involving high picks has been atrocious IMO. His flavour of the month deals like overpaying for Hamonic, speaks to more of an ego and doing whatever it takes to ensure he wins. Normally I wouldn’t have a problem with a desire to outdo someone but when he overpaid for some mediocre players, it killed the possibility of sustainability. On one hand I’ve been happy with his drafting but again, his inability to get high end talent, with handcuffing deals, very challenging. If they keep him I hope he’s learned from his problems.

GMs make calls.

You hope they're right more often than they're wrong.

It's not about "flavour of the month" or ego, it's doing his job.

He saw Hamonic as a player that wanted to move west (finally a favourable market advantage) on a great contract, and with a pedigree that had Treliving thinking he would be ideal for completing the top four.

He was wrong.

The game was changing, and although Hamonic was a warrior, he was more of a PK guy in the 5 slot than a true top four defenseman.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

As I said a page or two earlier I think it more likely that he gets removed in the next year or two given how long he's been here (2nd longest tenure in team history).

Sometimes you need a new voice.

I like Treliving though, I think he's done more good than bad.

I think they'd have a really hard time finding anyone better to take his place. Firstly, because IMO he's a really good GM, and secondly because you have to wonder if anyone with a proven track record would want to come here and put their rep on the line trying to rebuild in a place that clearly struggles to attract and keep high end talent.

The guy has made mistakes, but he's also learned from them it seems.

It'd really suck to have to start over with another new guy

[Toonage]

I would expect Darryl Sutter to recommend his buddy Mike Futa if the team moves on from Treliving.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I'm not sure how you can call Calgary in the running for least competent. 2 American players go home. How do you sell them.on a country they don't want to be in? Top 10 players get a say in where they want to go and thats that.

Not only that, players will always string teams along, as it's in their best interest. Gaudreau was a 4th round pick. If he even hints to Calgary that he wants out, he's not getting invited up to the big show. Gaudreau was here 8 years. He didn't want to spend his entire career in Canada. What can you do?

[PepsiFree]

I think I would disagree with anyone who comes to the conclusion that Treliving has done a bad job. If you take a step back and look at the body of work, he’s done great with what we’ve had and the direction given.

That said, I’m fine if his time is up. He’s been given a lot of it and with Gaudreau and possibly Tkachuk leaving, it’s clear he’ll need a lot more. At the same time, a guy like David Poile has been GM of the Predators for 20+ years, so maybe there’s some value in stability.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bingo

GMs make calls.

You hope they're right more often than they're wrong.

It's not about "flavour of the month" or ego, it's doing his job.

He saw Hamonic as a player that wanted to move west (finally a favourable market advantage) on a great contract, and with a pedigree that had Treliving thinking he would be ideal for completing the top four.

He was wrong.

The game was changing, and although Hamonic was a warrior, he was more of a PK guy in the 5 slot than a true top four defenseman.

To be clear by flavour of the month it’s just my surmising based on the need to win over other GM’s. It’s not a problem that he does his calls. But the amount he overpaid for such mediocrity was concerning. Just my possible misguided opinion that it was his ego driving it. Even while on the Isles he wasn’t a top 2 on most teams but he bought into the hype.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by fleury

It’s not black and white. He’s done some really good things but his deals involving high picks has been atrocious IMO. His flavour of the month deals like overpaying for Hamonic, speaks to more of an ego and doing whatever it takes to ensure he wins. Normally I wouldn’t have a problem with a desire to outdo someone but when he overpaid for some mediocre players, it killed the possibility of sustainability. On one hand I’ve been happy with his drafting but again, his inability to get high end talent, with handcuffing deals, very challenging. If they keep him I hope he’s learned from his problems.

Outside of the Hamonic deal, which we all agree was poor in retrospect but is now YEARS ago, how many other bad deals did he make? I would argue the deals made at the deadline last year were rationale deals to supplement the team at reasonable prices.

His mistakes are well documented: Hamonic, Neal, Brouwer, but they are also ones years in the past.

To me his performance in the last few years has been very strong.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by fleury

To be clear by flavour of the month it’s just my surmising based on the need to win over other GM’s. It’s not a problem that he does his calls. But the amount he overpaid for such mediocrity was concerning. Just my possible misguided opinion that it was his ego driving it. Even while on the Isles he wasn’t a top 2 on most teams but he bought into the hype.

well you don't want an unconfident GM.

I don't see Treliving as having a huge ego.

He's just a thorough guy that digs into everything.

He overpaid on Hamonic but his single biggest mistake was betting on Gaudreau and Monahan to be an elite core.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by fleury

To be clear by flavour of the month it’s just my surmising based on the need to win over other GM’s. It’s not a problem that he does his calls. But the amount he overpaid for such mediocrity was concerning. Just my possible misguided opinion that it was his ego driving it. Even while on the Isles he wasn’t a top 2 on most teams but he bought into the hype.

I don't understand what you are saying.
Is your concern that he overpays or that his ego is in the way? I don't understand the ego comment and how you think it is manifesting itself in the decisions he makes.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by fleury

It’s not black and white. He’s done some really good things but his deals involving high picks has been atrocious IMO. His flavour of the month deals like overpaying for Hamonic, speaks to more of an ego and doing whatever it takes to ensure he wins. Normally I wouldn’t have a problem with a desire to outdo someone but when he overpaid for some mediocre players, it killed the possibility of sustainability. On one hand I’ve been happy with his drafting but again, his inability to get high end talent, with handcuffing deals, very challenging. If they keep him I hope he’s learned from his problems.

At the time of his acquisition, Hamonic was very sought after. He was considered to be a physical young shut down d-man with some offensive talent. On top of that the 2018 draft was not good. Hughes, Tkachuk, Dahlin, and Svechnikov look like the only true talents.

Bringing in a top 4 d-man after the Flames made it to the playoffs, but got defeated due to a lack of defensive depth/toughness is not what has put the Flames in their current situation.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

well you don't want an unconfident GM.

I don't see Treliving as having a huge ego.

He's just a thorough guy that digs into everything.

He overpaid on Hamonic but his single biggest mistake was betting on Gaudreau and Monahan to be an elite core.

I have to disagree. I think his single biggest mistake was the Gulutzan hire.

The Peters hire was better, but fell apart with his past coming to light....but that's not on Treliving.

Gaudreau is pretty elite, especially with an elite coach who knows how to push him. Monahan was not elite for sure, but very good until injuries ruined him. That is also not on Treliving.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by blankall

At the time of his acquisition, Hamonic was very sought after. He was considered to be a physical young shut down d-man with some offensive talent. On top of that the 2018 draft was not good. Hughes, Tkachuk, Dahlin, and Svechnikov look like the only true talents.

The pick they gave up ended up being Noah Dobson who just scored 51 points as a defenseman.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

The pick they gave up ended up being Noah Dobson who just scored 51 points as a defenseman.

Fair enough. I missed him. Dobson had a great year.

Would Calgary have made that same choice though? The problem with the Flames defence at that time was they had lots of young talent, but needed solid veterans to step in then. The Flames already had Valimaki, Kylington, and Andersson in the pipeline. Every top pick since 2018 has been a forward. The Flames didn't draft a single defenceman in 2018, with the 5 picks they did have, and didn't draft a single d-man in 2019 either. I seriously doubt they were grabbing Dobson.

Once again, we're playing the hindsight game. Pretty easy to go back 4 years and spot pick the only good player in the first round, outside of the top 6 and say that the Flames could have drafted them.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by blankall

Fair enough. I missed him. Dobson had a great year.

Would Calgary have made that same choice though? The problem with the Flames defence at that time was they had lots of young talent, but needed solid veterans to step in then. The Flames already had Valimaki, Kylington, and Andersson in the pipeline. Every top pick since 2018 has been a forward. The Flames didn't draft a single defenceman in 2018, with the 5 picks they did have, and didn't draft a single d-man in 2019 either. I seriously doubt they were grabbing Dobson.

Once again, we're playing the hindsight game. Pretty easy to go back 4 years and spot pick the only good player in the first round, outside of the top 6 and say that the Flames could have drafted them.

You can blame hindsight but hindsight said you were wrong so you were still wrong.

It would be hard for the Flames to justify his existence after this year if they lost their 2 best players and have a bad year

He has a little bit of time to get a good return for Tkachuk and shows the team can still compete but that’s his last shot. IMO of course

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bingo

well you don't want an unconfident GM.

I don't see Treliving as having a huge ego.

He's just a thorough guy that digs into everything.

He overpaid on Hamonic but his single biggest mistake was betting on Gaudreau and Monahan to be an elite core.

This in a nutshell, BT put a lot of faith in these guys, but they were not really built for the playoffs as a tandom.