[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Conroy is too nice to do that. It would be a dick move and probably reserved for someone who there isn't good faith with behind the scenes, anymore. I don't think Rasmus fits that bill, but it's getting there with the leaked info hurting his value.

Again this is the teams own fault. Would it be nice if Andersson would expand his extension list? Sure.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I like Rhett's idea

Bringing up a tweet fell a few months back

https://twitter.com/user/status/1908286754592796954

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Johnson out of Dallas? I see CP's annual tradition of speculating and dreaming themselves into absurd trade returns has come into full bloom. "Okay, so we're all sure it'll be the 10th overall pick from New Jersey for Markstrom but if those greedy idiots think we're throwing in our late first in this draft to get it done they'd better be giving us Mercer, too or they're in fantasy land!!!".

This is interesting to think about now because who holds more value today - Mercer or Bahl.

Last Season:

Mercer:
GP: 82
G: 19
P: 36
TOI: 17:53

Bahl:
GP: 82
G: 3
P: 20
TOI: 21:23

Those two are probably a lot closer in value now than they were 12 months ago.

[Psytic]

Should have traded him last deadline. They never learn. Then the team at the deadline would be responsible for trying to sign him. The only plan this team has shown is to trade expiring contracts at the last minute. There is no commitment in either direction at this point. The Barn Burner guys are bang on.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Should have traded him last deadline. They never learn. Then the team at the deadline would be responsible for trying to sign him. The only plan this team has shown is to trade expiring contracts at the last minute. There is no commitment in either direction at this point. The Barn Burner guys are bang on.

This is a pattern that goes long beyond Conroy as current GM of the club and sits squarely at the feet of ownership. The best teams move their assets when they realize that either a departure is likely, the team needs a shakeup, or the player may be plateauing. Edwards and co. simply won't deal with a fully gutted roster and no chance of playoffs for 2 years.

The only reason you take players into their UFA contract year is if you're a contender and are relying on the players to take you on a run. The Flames rarely ever have been in the last 10-20 years, so the approach makes little sense, especially now. Coleman and Kadri could be very valuable with salary retention, as could have Rasmus last offseason.

It is very frustrating to see the improved drafting, development of prospects that has come with staying out of the veteran UFA market under Conroy as well, only to have the team held back by not continuing to move forward and deal the remaining high value players that won't be part of the next wave. This team has a pipeline of prospects now, but no captain to drive the ship without a truly elite top line player and there's no way to get said player with the current approach.

TLDR: Move the remaining veteran core players that are aging and make it more realistic to draft/obtain the 100 point player(s) that you need in order to chase cups. All that is happening now is diminished returns when they do finally depart and a better record than the team deserves which is preventing more top 10 OA talent from being drafted.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by getbak

What he's suggesting would never be possible because there's no way Andersson's agent would allow him to sign a long-term deal that didn't retroactively apply the NTC/NMC to the final year of the existing contract for that very reason.

The ability to retroactively apply the clauses to the end of an existing contract has been on the books long enough that those guys should know that.


This was added to the CBA in 2013:

It even applied to Backlund when he chose to extend in CGY for 2 more years. His 10 team trade list got converted to a full NMC in his final year of his previous contract after he signed this one.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Should have traded him last deadline. They never learn. Then the team at the deadline would be responsible for trying to sign him. The only plan this team has shown is to trade expiring contracts at the last minute. There is no commitment in either direction at this point. The Barn Burner guys are bang on.

And when we missed the playoffs last year you would be bitching we should have kept him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think people confuse lack of direction/plan with it not being the direction/plan you want.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by getbak

What he's suggesting would never be possible because there's no way Andersson's agent would allow him to sign a long-term deal that didn't retroactively apply the NTC/NMC to the final year of the existing contract for that very reason.

The ability to retroactively apply the clauses to the end of an existing contract has been on the books long enough that those guys should know that.


This was added to the CBA in 2013:

Still technically possible then IF there are no NMC/NTC in the new contract then? In that case, only his current 6 team NTC would apply for this final year right?

I'm assuming these clauses are to protect the players so in the situation where a new contract is signed without trade protection, the team can't retroactively apply the lack of a NMC/NTC to the end of a contract right? Would be interesting to know if a player could, though I'm not sure why they would.

Edit: Not that I'm saying this is the way to go, just interesting contract nuances we typically don't consider as fans.

[dammage79]

The direction/plan isn't known until something happens. The plan or action knows it's a plan or action when it doesn't know it's a plan or action.

Truth be told, I was hoping for a trade at the draft. That didn't happen. Ppl thought the race for Ekblad was the logjam, that didn't happen. Now we all have trade blue balls and we are creeping into the end of the first week of FA without any substantial movement .

The snake is eating itself because rumors and speculation are empty calories.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

This is a pattern that goes long beyond Conroy as current GM of the club and sits squarely at the feet of ownership. The best teams move their assets when they realize that either a departure is likely, the team needs a shakeup, or the player may be plateauing. Edwards and co. simply won't deal with a fully gutted roster and no chance of playoffs for 2 years..

2 years!?!

If you fully gut your roster it's pretty clear that ain't a 2 year thing. That is a thing that can go on for a VERY long time.

Buffalo: 14
Detroit: 9
Anaheim: 7
San Jose: 6
Chicagao, CBJ, Philly: 5

And counting...

A tear down guarantees nothing.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

2 years!?!

If you fully gut your roster it's pretty clear that ain't a 2 year thing. That is a thing that can go on for a VERY long time.

Buffalo: 14
Detroit: 9
Anaheim: 7
San Jose: 6
Chicagao, CBJ, Philly: 5

And counting...

A tear down guarantees nothing.

Flames are at 3 without a teardown - and honestly betting odds will have them favoured to hit 4 this year

This is why I find the argument funny - if you tear down you can miss the playoffs for multiple years - we can’t do that …. We Just missed for multiple year without acquiring the elite talent

(Now we may have got lucky with Parekh fingers crossed )

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

2 years!?!

If you fully gut your roster it's pretty clear that ain't a 2 year thing. That is a thing that can go on for a VERY long time.

Buffalo: 14
Detroit: 9
Anaheim: 7
San Jose: 6
Chicagao, CBJ, Philly: 5

And counting...

A tear down guarantees nothing.

Some of those teams didn't really tear down as much as holding on until their stars aged out and the team simply sucked. Anaheim for example got nothing for Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, or Silferbeg and instead opted to hang in there for as long as they could. If they would have torn down before those players retired or walked, they'd probably be in a better position today.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And when we missed the playoffs last year you would be bitching we should have kept him.

Based on my post history you know that’s not remotely true I want a superstar and 10 years of being a contender. What Rhett said the other day on the podcast is 100% how I feel. This just get in anything can happen bs is not sustainable and never has been. It’s poor asset management to hold onto these guys just to waste 8 days. What the owners have done to this franchise is a travesty as other posters have mentioned it’s a constant across all GMs so I don’t blame Conroy. They have done this crap for 30 years let’s maybe try something else.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Should have traded him last deadline. They never learn. Then the team at the deadline would be responsible for trying to sign him. The only plan this team has shown is to trade expiring contracts at the last minute. There is no commitment in either direction at this point. The Barn Burner guys are bang on.

I'm not sure it's the team or if it's some posters that aren't willing to learn: Conroy has said over and over he's going to try to resign expiring core UFAs as they enter their last year, and if they aren't willing to resign, he'll trade them. He's done that with every vet.

You can disagree with this plan, and I did at first, but that's the path this team is taking to rebuild.

What's helped me turn the corner and get behind it--beyond being a lifelong Flames' fan--is how well the Flames have drafted over the last decade or so when they've held onto their higher picks, and especially what they've done in the last few drafts.

With the prospects now in the fold, I very much can see a path to long-term contending -- where the team has layers of talent that they can continually replenish with young guys shifting into the lineup as they develop or used as trade chips for controllable higher end talent. It's a pretty exciting crop of prospects that should make their mark on the team in the next few years, even though there's only one top 10 pick in that group.

[traptor]

Yeah they have a plan, and I don't think it's optimal.


But I understand that although winning a cup is a big priority for them, it isn't the only mandate.

[Roof-Daddy]

If they keep going to drafts with a surplus of picks and continue drafting the way have been, it doesn't matter what the plan is, they are going to be just fine IMO.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think people confuse lack of direction/plan with it not being the direction/plan you want.

Yeah, I think we need to recognize ownership has a different plan than many of us want. We want the Flames to draft and develop an elite core that can contend for the Cup over a 6-8 year span. Edwards wants a team that makes the playoffs more often than it doesn’t, and hopefully goes on a Cinderella run once in a while.

The whole front office is terrified of becoming a joke franchise. That fear was behind the decision to immediately reload with Huberdeau and Kadri after Gaudreau and Tkachuk walked; the narrative that nobody wanted to play here had to be changed. The overriding culture of the Calgary Flames organization is loss-aversion.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, I think we need to recognize ownership has a different plan than many of us want. We want the Flames to draft and develop an elite core that can contend for the Cup over a 6-8 year span. Edwards wants a team that makes the playoffs more often than it doesn’t, and hopefully goes on a Cinderella run once in a while.

The whole front office is terrified of becoming a joke franchise. That fear was behind the decision to immediately reload with Huberdeau and Kadri after Gaudreau and Tkachuk walked rather than rebuild; the narrative that nobody wanted to play here had to be changed. The overriding culture of the Calgary Flames organization is loss-aversion.

In your opinion.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

In your opinion.

Well yes. If it helps, imagine an “IMHO” before every post everyone makes on this site.