This is a rebuild

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Huberdeau is on the books until 2030-2031. 7 years left still.

On the plus side the Flames at the moment have no prospects who look like they’re going to be good enough to demand large contracts (Parekh could get there but it’s early). So there’s time.

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Huberdeau is on the books until 2030-2031. 7 years left still.

Damn sketchy internet sites, looks like the one I was using did not have any data past 2028.

But even 2030 Kadri and 2031 Huberdeau should still align nicely with ELCs ending. A 2026 draft pick going right into the NHL would have 2026-2027, 2027-2028, 2028-2029 on ELC, which would align their pay day per with Kadri coming off the books. Then Huberdeau off the next year will help improve the team for a cup run.

If anything having salary tied up will help us avoid going for it too early and ruining the rebuild like most Canadian teams do. Keeps some cap reserved for when we awill need it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Huberdeau signing a contract like that is risky for him too.

He is now untradeable.

Congrats, you're now stuck on a rebuilding team with absolutely no hope of moving on to a more desired destination.

Sure, he's got lots of money. But money isn't everything, and he could have signed a less ludicrous deal, still had lots of money but also had options for moving on instead of being trapped.

Conroy talked about this, and how he wants to be careful about the extensions he offers players and not to enter into any contract that you are 100% stuck with the moment it's signed. Both the team, and the player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Huberdeau signing a contract like that is risky for him too.

He is now untradeable.

Congrats, you're now stuck on a rebuilding team with absolutely no hope of moving on to a more desired destination.

Sure, he's got lots of money. But money isn't everything, and he could have signed a less ludicrous deal, still had lots of money but also had options for moving on instead of being trapped.

Conroy talked about this, and how he wants to be careful about the extensions he offers players and not to enter into any contract that you are 100% stuck with the moment it's signed. Both the team, and the player.

Not to defend the contract because it sucks, but I feel like not much negotiating took place.

Seems like the Flames just changed the name on the contract Johnny with a new date and had Huberdeau sign. If someone is giving you all that money, what are going to say? No you keep that extra million lol.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not to defend the contract because it sucks, but I feel like not much negotiating took place.

Seems like the Flames just changed the name on the contract Johnny with a new date and had Huberdeau sign. If someone is giving you all that money, what are going to say? No you keep that extra million lol.

Yeah, I can see criticizing play, especially if the effort isn’t there. But it sounds like people think Huberdeau should have (a) predicted a huge drop in production and (b) rejected the offer in favour of something lower.

[Hackey]

It was a retirement contracts he couldn't refuse and he rightfully took it and semi retired.

[TheScorpion]

I still have a suspicion that Huberdeau is just one 70-point season away from Montreal suddenly wanting him to complete their top six.

Take back Anderson and Gallagher, maybe retain a million or two, and you're golden. Who better than Jonny himself to mentor Slafkovsky and Demidov?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I still have a suspicion that Huberdeau is just one 70-point season away from Montreal suddenly wanting him to complete their top six.

Take back Anderson and Gallagher, maybe retain a million or two, and you're golden. Who better than Jonny himself to mentor Slafkovsky and Demidov?

That’s what I was talking about in the fact situation.

Best case scenario, he produces and makes himself more attractive in a higher cap/retained salary scenario as a power play guy who’s a good vet to have around at a reduced price. The closer you get to the end of his contract the easier it is to retain.

Worst case: the Flames have one bad contract in a rising cap.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, I can see criticizing play, especially if the effort isn’t there. But it sounds like people think Huberdeau should have (a) predicted a huge drop in production and (b) rejected the offer in favour of something lower.

I don't think that's fair. Most people just don't have much sympathy for Huberdeau. He's not only responsible for signing the contract but his poor play is a big part of why the team is rebuilding. You can't occupy 1/8th of a team's salary cap without being the guy.

With a rising cap, I wouldn't say Huberdeau's fate is sealed either though. He just needs to play like a PPG+ player consistently for a couple of years, and his contract becomes market value.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Huberdeau signing a contract like that is risky for him too.

He is now untradeable.

Is there any way the deal can be negotiated if both parties agree? Assuming not in this CBA but used to be a possibility, like Yashin and Oates but both were traded instead of re negotiated.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I still have a suspicion that Huberdeau is just one 70-point season away from Montreal suddenly wanting him to complete their top six.

Take back Anderson and Gallagher, maybe retain a million or two, and you're golden. Who better than Jonny himself to mentor Slafkovsky and Demidov?

Let's collectively will that into existence. Although I am not sure Huberdeau would waive for Montreal, he'd get eaten alive by the media

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Is there any way the deal can be negotiated if both parties agree? Assuming not in this CBA but used to be a possibility, like Yashin and Oates but both were traded instead of re negotiated.

I think that is possible, but why would he do that?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Laughable take that Huberdeau is the reason for the rebuild. I guess he is supposed to strap 18 players on his back and just win games on his own?

The roster was broken, it was flawed. They tried to patch it up through free agency, and some trades.

It's the best thing that could have happened to the Flames, that roster was never going to compete for a cup.

All we can hope for at his point is someone wants to trade for him after a bounce back of some sort, or w compliance buyout like after the other lockouts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't think that's fair. Most people just don't have much sympathy for Huberdeau. He's not only responsible for signing the contract but his poor play is a big part of why the team is rebuilding. You can't occupy 1/8th of a team's salary cap without being the guy.

With a rising cap, I wouldn't say Huberdeau's fate is sealed either though. He just needs to play like a PPG+ player consistently for a couple of years, and his contract becomes market value.

It's completely fair when the criticism is "he shouldn't have signed the contract".

Should teams feel bad and pay ELC guys more because they overproduce for their wage?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Let's collectively will that into existence. Although I am not sure Huberdeau would waive for Montreal, he'd get eaten alive by the media

I think he would gladly go anywhere - he is as aware that it hasn't worked out in CGY as anyone, so I am sure he would welcome any fresh start.

[Bingo]

The league has a long history of players like this getting dealt. It happens all the time.

The Flames don't need to trade him so they don't have to include valuable assets in this window to move him.

But if he bounces back to some degree, moves closer to a more buy out friendly state, and the Flames retain I think he can be moved for sure.

Isn't a huge concern to me with a 4-5 year rebuild window just starting.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think he would gladly go anywhere - he is as aware that it hasn't worked out in CGY as anyone, so I am sure he would welcome any fresh start.

I don't think so. At least Calgary is pretty benign. He'd get shredded in Montreal if he was getting 50 points. He didn't even really want to go to Montreal when he was playing well.

https://awinninghabit.com/2022/09/17...-players-play/

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Laughable take that Huberdeau is the reason for the rebuild. I guess he is supposed to strap 18 players on his back and just win games on his own?

The roster was broken, it was flawed. They tried to patch it up through free agency, and some trades.

It's the best thing that could have happened to the Flames, that roster was never going to compete for a cup.

All we can hope for at his point is someone wants to trade for him after a bounce back of some sort, or w compliance buyout like after the other lockouts.

Sure, the roster was flawed, but if the guy only took a 30 or 35 point step back on his career year rather than a 50(!), the Flames would have made it into the playoffs in 2023 and who knows what would have happened in the playoffs with that roster in front of Sutter and a little more positive momentum with their leading money maker actually helping lead the team.

Obviously, things were pretty toxic that year but a lot of that had to do with players, especially Huberdeau, underperforming and that tends to spiral, especially with Sutter.

If the team made the playoffs, because Huberdeau produced a little more, and won at least a series, a lot of the free agents would have probably resigned and Calgary would still be in win now mode.

Now, your point that the rebuild is the best thing for the Flames is valid, and I agree it was time to rebuild. So... I guess thanks, Huberdeau for sucking?

[Edit to say that "sucking" is the wrong word. 50 points a year is great for a middle six winger. He's just being paid way more than he should be for that kind of production]

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Sure, the roster was flawed, but if the guy only took a 30 or 35 point step back on his career year rather than a 50(!), the Flames would have made it into the playoffs in 2023 and who knows what would have happened in the playoffs with that roster in front of Sutter and a little more positive momentum with their leading money maker actually helping lead the team.

Obviously, things were pretty toxic that year but a lot of that had to do with players, especially Huberdeau, underperforming and that tends to spiral, especially with Sutter.

If the team made the playoffs, because Huberdeau produced a little more, and won at least a series, a lot of the free agents would have probably resigned and Calgary would still be in win now mode.

Now, your point that the rebuild is the best thing for the Flames is valid, and I agree it was time to rebuild. So... I guess thanks, Huberdeau for sucking?

[Edit to say that "sucking" is the wrong word. 50 points a year is great for a middle six winger. He's just being paid way more than he should be for that kind of production]

The way they gave up the first goal on the first shot, they probably get swept.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Sure, the roster was flawed, but if the guy only took a 30 or 35 point step back on his career year rather than a 50(!), the Flames would have made it into the playoffs in 2023 and who knows what would have happened in the playoffs with that roster in front of Sutter and a little more positive momentum with their leading money maker actually helping lead the team.

Obviously, things were pretty toxic that year but a lot of that had to do with players, especially Huberdeau, underperforming and that tends to spiral, especially with Sutter.

If the team made the playoffs, because Huberdeau produced a little more, and won at least a series, a lot of the free agents would have probably resigned and Calgary would still be in win now mode.

Now, your point that the rebuild is the best thing for the Flames is valid, and I agree it was time to rebuild. So... I guess thanks, Huberdeau for sucking?

[Edit to say that "sucking" is the wrong word. 50 points a year is great for a middle six winger. He's just being paid way more than he should be for that kind of production]

Markstrom playing career worst hockey, by a significant margin, didn't help the Flames playoff drive either. When your franchise forward and your starting goalie both regress to such an extreme level as those two did in 2022/23, you're not going anywhere.

Huberdeau went from most assists by a LW to 55 points. Markstrom went from Vezina finalist to .892 SV%.