[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd

[calgarygringo]

No inside info but listening to a few current player interviews and a few old players but still close to the room I think he may have been a bit of a challenge in the room. I think Conny made the move quickly to take the poison out and with not having to retain salary it gives the Flames some room to make moves.

[Bonded]

Space was for Kylington? I didn't really buy the Coronato/Solo thing lol

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I understand the trade.
I understand the cap space.
I understand not retaining on your 4th most valuable trade asset when you have only 3 spots for retention.
I understand the slight rush as we need to stagger the dmen trading a bit so we're not lowering the bids when the big dawgs are ready to be auctioned off.

However, when the whole league's reaction is that the return is very underwhelming (and surprisingly low), then I can't help to feel the very same. I have no doubt that Conroy took the best deal on the table. It's disappointing that the best deal was not a good one. This would've felt a lot better if it was TWO 3rd round picks - but it wasn't on the table without retention.

I understand. I was surprised at the return. I am still disappointed. I will reserve being pissed off until I see the return for Tanev, Hanifin, Lindholm after full retention.

to add, I also understand the how critical getting out of LTIR and having the cap room accumulate + being able to call up kids. Does not change my disappointment with this trade and the Toffoli trade.

My fingers are crossed that there will be no more excuses for sub par returns when Tanev, Hanifin, and Lindholm are dealt.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Niemo

to add, I also understand the how critical getting out of LTIR and having the cap room accumulate + being able to call up kids. Does not change my disappointment with this trade and the Toffoli trade.

My fingers are crossed that there will be no more excuses for sub par returns when Tanev, Hanifin, and Lindholm are dealt.

When you have unrealistic expectations, and ignore the current market for trades, it’s easy to be disappointed about everything.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Niemo

to add, I also understand the how critical getting out of LTIR and having the cap room accumulate + being able to call up kids. Does not change my disappointment with this trade and the Toffoli trade.

My fingers are crossed that there will be no more excuses for sub par returns when Tanev, Hanifin, and Lindholm are dealt.

What do the returns have to be as a floor to avoid your disappointment?

[stemit14]

Interesting development if Kylington does return. May add another bit of context in the Zadorov trade in terms of why gaining the cap space was prioritized.

As long as the cap space is going to be used for some benefit… whether it is for Kylington or to make it so they can take back salary in potential Lindholm, Hanifin or Tanev trades to maximize the return in those trades. What would be frustrating is if it comes out that ownership did not want to retain salary on a player that is not on the team… just to save money.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Flames/Canucks trade history leading up to this trade:

https://flamesnation.ca/news/amp/loo...couver-canucks

[Bingo]

Phew ... that took a long time to read.

The biggest issue in this, of course, is why they didn't want to retain salary.

If it's to keep the slots open then this is likely a very good move.
If it's an owner not wanting to retain for bottom line reasons, then not so much.

I get the fear that it's #2 given their history, but there's a pretty big distinction this time around ... the GM is out in the media after the transaction talking about cap space, brokering and saving his 3 retention spots.

That isn't done unless you have a sign off to use them in my mind.

So they decided to take less for Zadorov, to have more flexibility and accrue more cap space by the deadline for other deals. If his plan comes to fruition, then this was likely a very good trade. If it goes for not it cost them the difference between 2024 and 2026 in value.

Didn't blow my socks off, but the deal is fine as it stands, and could play a really important role in a future transaction.

[Blaster86]

If the team is planning on a fire sale, you keep cap space open to weaponize the cap space


If the team is planning to try for the play-offs still, you keep cap space open so you can add if the opportunity arises.


The return may not be what people wanted, but it's a UFA player who has said "I want out." Everyone knows the player is getting dealt. You get what you get.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Phew ... that took a long time to read.

The biggest issue in this, of course, is why they didn't want to retain salary.

If it's to keep the slots open then this is likely a very good move.
If it's an owner not wanting to retain for bottom line reasons, then not so much.

I get the fear that it's #2 given their history, but there's a pretty big distinction this time around ... the GM is out in the media after the transaction talking about cap space, brokering and saving his 3 retention spots.

That isn't done unless you have a sign off to use them in my mind.

So they decided to take less for Zadorov, to have more flexibility and accrue more cap space by the deadline for other deals. If his plan comes to fruition, then this was likely a very good trade. If it goes for not it cost them the difference between 2024 and 2026 in value.

Didn't blow my socks off, but the deal is fine as it stands, and could play a really important role in a future transaction.

Yes, would be nice if Conroy back up what he said and make good use of the cap saving.

If it’s just to call up people then he is just bull ####ting. You don’t need all the cap to call up minimum salary prospects

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If the team is planning on a fire sale, you keep cap space open to weaponize the cap space


If the team is planning to try for the play-offs still, you keep cap space open so you can add if the opportunity arises.


The return may not be what people wanted, but it's a UFA player who has said "I want out." Everyone knows the player is getting dealt. You get what you get.

They said up to 10 teams were poking and 3 serious

So it’s not like nobody was interested

[devo22]

yeah Conroy talking about the value of having all three retention spots gives me hope. Based on the Flames' history, it's easy to be cynical about this, but I'm willing to give Conroy and the team the benefit of the doubt here. If they are willing to retain salary for all of Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev, it makes the return more stomachable.

Really hoped for a 2nd, but a 3rd and a 5th isn't that bad in a nutshell in a deal without salary retention. What irks me is the fact that the 3rd is so far down the road, but I guess they'll have opportunities to add more 2024 and 2025 picks between now and the deadline.

[dino7c]

The media suddenly loved Zadorov since the Leafs needed a damn...anyone who actually watched him play this season knows he has been a disaster. He hasn't been worth his current contract this season let alone a raise.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes, would be nice if Conroy back up what he said and make good use of the cap saving.

If it’s just to call up people then he is just bull ####ting. You don’t need all the cap to call up minimum salary prospects

1. Don't think Conroy has a long history of bull ####ting, as a player or team executive. If anything he's too honest and reveals too much.

2. Talking about brokering deals for assets and holding all three retention slots has nothing to do with calling up an AHL player.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The media suddenly loved Zadorov since the Leafs needed a damn...anyone who actually watched him play this season knows he has been a disaster. He hasn't been worth his current contract this season let alone a raise.

That's over the top.

Zadorov was a good 5th defenseman, paid a little more because he can impact the game in ways that other 5th defensemen won't.

I've always felt that he suffers if they give him too much rope, he can't be or won't be a 3-4 defenseman on any team. But he's a solid 5 in my mind, with that slot (5) never being a perfect player.

[Buff]

I really liked Zadorov. He's fun to watch and a good interview too. I was sad that he asked for a trade and disappointed in how he and his agent handled it. Glad to have this situation dealt with.

The return feels low for sure but reasoning seems sound to me. I'm very interested to see what plays out with the rest of the UFAs and have a bit of concern as to how good the returns will be.

[kevman]

I'm just disappointed that the 3rd is 3 years out since it's hard to get excited about the 5th round pick. I don't remember the odds of a 3rd round pick hitting, but a 10% chance at a player having an impact in 2030 (picking 3 years out plus 3-4 year of development) isn't that exciting either.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's over the top.

Zadorov was a good 5th defenseman, paid a little more because he can impact the game in ways that other 5th defensemen won't.

I've always felt that he suffers if they give him too much rope, he can't be or won't be a 3-4 defenseman on any team. But he's a solid 5 in my mind, with that slot (5) never being a perfect player.

He has been the Flames worst dman since the TO game and the back end looked great last night against maybe the best team in the league.

Bottom line he was being over rated in the media big time. Big hits are fun and flashy I will give you. Turnovers and poor coverage though not so much.

Vancouver isn't expecting a bottom pair guy

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Vancouver isn't expecting a bottom pair guy

I'm out here on Vancouver Island and listening to the Vancouver talking heads the hope is that Zadorov can take some of the minutes away from Tyler Myers (i.e. push Myers down to the 3rd pairing).

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I'm out here on Vancouver Island and listening to the Vancouver talking heads the hope is that Zadorov can take some of the minutes away from Tyler Myers (i.e. push Myers down to the 3rd pairing).

The hope is that Zadorov steps in and fills the void left by the injured Soucy. which pushes Myers back to the bottom pairing on the short term.
When Soucy is back, I think the team is hoping for:


Hronek - Hughes
Soucy - Cole
Zadorov - Myers
Friedman
Juulsen

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

They said up to 10 teams were poking and 3 serious

So it’s not like nobody was intereste

I think a lot of teams were probably interested. I don't think many teams were offering to pay much.