[News Roundup] Flames head coach search. Friedman: Huska is the leading contender

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not sure any of that applies to the current regime.

All the discussion is about the team scoring more goals, given the green light in the offensive zone to be creative and make plays.

I think Sutter set a good blueprint in certain things that need to be tweaked to make this team successful. Being a more potent offensive team and allowing them to play with more freedom offensively is going to help. Just can't get away from our defensive structure when things fall apart.

Hopefully man to man D in our zone disappears

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The whole Conroy, Iginla, Tangs, Savard thing spooks me a bit but I'm not going to worry about that until they actually start hiring people. The organization needed change and for better or worse that is what we will get.

I know a lot of people will compare this to the old boys club in Edmonton, and there is some similarities but I also think this is significantly different. Guys like Conroy, Iggy and Tangs seem much more progressive and new age compared to Lowe and McTavish etc. They understand the need for a youth injection and the importance of drafting and developing from within. Conroy seemed adamant to give guys on the farm a chance before going out and filling holes with vets. Seems like a philosophical change and hope they are sincere about this approach. I don’t mind rewarding former players with positions in the organization as this group seems to understand the right path forward and are high quality individuals.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

I know a lot of people will compare this to the old boys club in Edmonton, and there is some similarities but I also think this is significantly different. Guys like Conroy, Iggy and Tangs seem much more progressive and new age compared to Lowe and McTavish etc. They understand the need for a youth injection and the importance of drafting and developing from within. Conroy seemed adamant to give guys on the farm a chance before going out and filling holes with vets. Seems like a philosophical change and hope they are sincere about this approach. I don’t mind rewarding former players with positions in the organization as this group seems to understand the right path forward and are high quality individuals.

Yes agreed- and not to mention the obvious that Conroy, Iggy and Tanguay have all played much more recently then the old boys in Edmonton

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

I know a lot of people will compare this to the old boys club in Edmonton, and there is some similarities but I also think this is significantly different. Guys like Conroy, Iggy and Tangs seem much more progressive and new age compared to Lowe and McTavish etc. They understand the need for a youth injection and the importance of drafting and developing from within. Conroy seemed adamant to give guys on the farm a chance before going out and filling holes with vets. Seems like a philosophical change and hope they are sincere about this approach. I don’t mind rewarding former players with positions in the organization as this group seems to understand the right path forward and are high quality individuals.

We can rationalize it all we want but really won't know if it's different, better or worse until it happens and plays out. If it even happens as it's all speculation at this point.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Yes agreed- and not to mention the obvious that Conroy, Iggy and Tanguay have all played much more recently then the old boys in Edmonton

Sad reality check here,

2006 - 1990 = 16 years
2024 - 2004 = 20 years

2006 being the year Lowe and McTavish has big successes in the front office, 1990 being the last year to their oilers team reached the finals.
Obviously not claiming success for 2024 yet. But best case scenario Iggy and Conroy are further separated from being Flames heros than the Edmonton old boys club was at the time.

Now go cry because you are old.

Edit: also Lowe and McT were both the head coach of the Oilers within 4 years of their last game. All of our old boys club have been retired for 7+ years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah but did Lowe have 11 years of management experience? Was MacTavish a coach prior to coming back to Edmonton?

They aren't being gifted positions.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by #-3

Sad reality check here,

2006 - 1990 = 16 years
2024 - 2004 = 20 years

2006 being the year Lowe and McTavish has big successes in the front office, 1990 being the last year to their oilers team reached the finals.
Obviously not claiming success for 2024 yet. But best case scenario Iggy and Conroy are further separated from being Flames heros than the Edmonton old boys club was at the time.

Now go cry because you are old.

Edit: also Lowe and McT were both the head coach of the Oilers within 4 years of their last game. All of our old boys club have been retired for 7+ years.

I haven’t stopped crying

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by #-3

Sad reality check here,

2006 - 1990 = 16 years
2024 - 2004 = 20 years

2006 being the year Lowe and McTavish has big successes in the front office, 1990 being the last year to their oilers team reached the finals.
Obviously not claiming success for 2024 yet. But best case scenario Iggy and Conroy are further separated from being Flames heros than the Edmonton old boys club was at the time.

Now go cry because you are old.

Edit: also Lowe and McT were both the head coach of the Oilers within 4 years of their last game. All of our old boys club have been retired for 7+ years.

Measuring back to the last year of "success" seems less important than the last year they played for the team or the NHL in terms of "old boy". Lowe retired in 1998 after playing his last two seasons with the Oilers, and was immediately AC in Edmonton, and was suddenly head coach in 1999, and GM in 2000. Mactavish retired at the end of 1996-97 and then suddenly head coach of Edmonton in 2000, hired by, surprise, Lowe. Then he gets fired in 2009 but hired as GM in 2013. Idiocy.

[NewFan]

I guess they will announce the HC Monday. I'm not excited about coaching hires, especially if the roster is not changed. I think who ever become HC he will not have a great success with current roster.

[Hot_Flatus]

Why is anyone worried about the Flames promoting someone that has taking over a decade to learn the business, nuances and best practices of the league under some fantastic tutelage?

Conroy didn't just walk into a role here. He was hired by a veritable outsider after gaining more hands on experience across the entire business than past league GMs like Mike Gillis or AGMs like John Wiesbrod ever had (there are many more that could be listed here).

This is not just some crony hire here. Conroy knows his stuff and is deserving of this role. If he hires a coach like Savard or Tanguay who happened to play here, it is also hardly a crony hire like the Oilers. Both of these guys have done their time with other organizations and are certainly deemed hot or up and coming commodities in the NHL.

I highly doubt any other organization was clamoring to hire KLowe or MacT at the point they joined the Oilers nearly right after they retired - that there was classic cronyism and arrogance to think they could just step in and crush these roles with no experience or willingness to learn first.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The whole Conroy, Iginla, Tangs, Savard thing spooks me a bit but I'm not going to worry about that until they actually start hiring people. The organization needed change and for better or worse that is what we will get.

Familiarity doesn't need to be a bad thing. I've built a successful business alongside friends and the bonding strength of trust and reliability I find far outweigh the cons of working with people you know well.

Our proximity to Edmonton leaves a gross taste for these 'nepo' hires. But as others have said, each of these guys have earned the opportunity to be considered for these roles. Their resumes, coupled with strong relationships, I think is a recipe for success rather than concern.

[The Fisher Account]

You know this will be unpopular, but at least those Oiler guys WON something in their careers.

This 2004 team is still glorified in this city 20 years later and they didn't even win. I wouldn't be surprised if we are still reminiscing about 2004 in 2034.

Right or wrong, those guys have rings to show and our guys don't.

[Moneyhands23]

I get Conroy wants to get this right. Seems like a long process if it's love and/or huska.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

You know this will be unpopular, but at least those Oiler guys WON something in their careers.

This 2004 team is still glorified in this city 20 years later and they didn't even win. I wouldn't be surprised if we are still reminiscing about 2004 in 2034.

Right or wrong, those guys have rings to show and our guys don't.

I don't know. I reminisce more about 89.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

You know this will be unpopular, but at least those Oiler guys WON something in their careers.

This 2004 team is still glorified in this city 20 years later and they didn't even win. I wouldn't be surprised if we are still reminiscing about 2004 in 2034.

Right or wrong, those guys have rings to show and our guys don't.

It should be unpopular because you're wrong. Iginla is a first ballot Hall of Famer that won 2 Olympic Gold, World Cup Gold, and World Junior Gold. He was also the conn Smythe favorite heading into game 7 of the Cup finals.

Tanguay won a Stanley Cup with the Avs, scoring two goals in game 7 and 21 playoff points as a sophomore.

Conroy didn't win much but he has put in the years to learn to be a manager.

Really, I only think Iginla is similar to the Oilers nostalgia-laden hiring and who knows if he'll even be part of it.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

It should be unpopular because you're wrong. Iginla is a first ballot Hall of Famer that won 2 Olympic Gold, World Cup Gold, and World Junior Gold. He was also the conn Smythe favorite heading into game 7 of the Cup finals.

Tanguay won a Stanley Cup with the Avs, scoring two goals in game 7 and 21 playoff points as a sophomore.

Conroy didn't win much but he has put in the years to learn to be a manager.

Really, I only think Iginla is similar to the Oilers nostalgia-laden hiring and who knows if he'll even be part of it.

And the puck was god damn in!!!!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

You know this will be unpopular, but at least those Oiler guys WON something in their careers.

This 2004 team is still glorified in this city 20 years later and they didn't even win. I wouldn't be surprised if we are still reminiscing about 2004 in 2034.

Right or wrong, those guys have rings to show and our guys don't.

It has to have been here only?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account
You know this will be unpopular, but at least those Oiler guys WON something in their careers.

This 2004 team is still glorified in this city 20 years later and they didn't even win. I wouldn't be surprised if you are still reminiscing about 2004 in 2034.

Right or wrong, those guys have rings to show and your guys don't.

fyp

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

You know this will be unpopular, but at least those Oiler guys WON something in their careers.

This 2004 team is still glorified in this city 20 years later and they didn't even win. I wouldn't be surprised if we are still reminiscing about 2004 in 2034.

Right or wrong, those guys have rings to show and our guys don't.

How Kevin Lowe of you.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How Kevin Lowe of you.

Exactly what I was thinking.