WCSF: Vegas Golden Knights [PAC1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] Vegas wins 4-2

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blender

The Code is weird.

It’s a Pirate’s life for me

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blender

All this talk about targeting injured players got me thinking. Is there any fundamental difference between targeting an injury and intent to injure? It's the exact same thing.
One is punishable, the other is laudable.
The Code is weird.

I think it depends on how you define and action "target".

For example, if a D-man is carrying an injury that reduces his ability to pivot and chase a puck deep it might be worthwhile to put pucks behind the D-man and pressure them to get back. If their injury reduces there ability to deal with that play then that's smart and fair game.

Likewise, if a player is carrying an upper body injury, I'd target contact on that player. Coach guys to always finish their hits cleanly to put pressure on and fatigue that player's injury.

Now, if the targeting is slashing, cross checking or other activities that might draw a penalty through the very action, well that is murkier IMO.

[ResAlien]

Every team is going to target an opponent’s injury especially a critical player. The place where genuine complaints can come in is if said targeting is a genuine penalty and it goes uncalled. But getting whacks where it’s known you’re hurting? Man it’s playoff hockey

If Broissoit can keep from turning back into a pumpkin for a few more games Vegas should be able to take this series. They’re the team that won the division and that was for a reason.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Remember when Oilers fans talked about how classless the Flames were last year for taking wacks at Leon’s injured ankle? How the turntables. And I honestly didn’t support the Flames doing that. I think it’s It’s just that every team is gonna try to exploit an injury to a star player they know about. I don’t think that’s a good thing

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

They’re the team that won the division and that was for a reason.

Edmonton was two points back, but had 7 more regulation wins, and a goal differential of +69, vs. +42 for Vegas.

The reason they won the division was their 5 shoot out wins, vs 0 for the Oilers.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Every team is going to target an opponent’s injury especially a critical player. The place where genuine complaints can come in is if said targeting is a genuine penalty and it goes uncalled. But getting whacks where it’s known you’re hurting? Man it’s playoff hockey
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What is the separation between a "genuine penalty" and a "regular crosscheck to the back"? Who defines it?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What is the separation between a "genuine penalty" and a "regular crosscheck to the back"? Who defines it?

McDavid

[Boreal]

I love how the morning narrative is that Vegas “overcomes” Draisatl’s 4 goals.

Not that the Oilers wasted and squandered a 4 goal game by one player.

Look out next game he’ll have 5… then Vegas won’t be able to “overcome” him.

Different perspective than the 4 Goals the night before when those same 4 goals actually took their team to overtime.





You gotta suck in those fanatical Oiler eyeballs for maximum ad revenue. Those insecure dopes won’t click on an article that mentions anything negative about their illustrious spineless franchise.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Edmonton was two points back, but had 7 more regulation wins, and a goal differential of +69, vs. +42 for Vegas.

The reason they won the division was their 5 shoot out wins, vs 0 for the Oilers.

So what you're saying is Vegas had more points than the Oilers and finished higher in the standings

[CroFlames]

Oilers had a lead for like 2 minutes. The Knights "overcame" a one goal lead, but then put the Oilers away.

[Toonage]

lmao

The Oilers *may* have a 5 on 5 problem. No ####.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/travis-yost-t...blem-1.1956159

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What is the separation between a "genuine penalty" and a "regular crosscheck to the back"? Who defines it?

Full extension of the arms while not moving your feet.

There is a lot of interpretation, but if a player is jackhammering away while standing still, penalty.

If a player is making a crosschecking motion in a battle for position or a puck, no penalty.

Again, obviously a lot of subjectivity between the two.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lmao

The Oilers *may* have a 5 on 5 problem. No ####.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/travis-yost-t...blem-1.1956159

Hilarious that the media is just now starting to figure this out, lol. Except the Sportsnet panel. Those guys still believe the Oilers are God's gift to hockey and the rightful heirs to the Cup.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Edmonton was two points back, but had 7 more regulation wins, and a goal differential of +69, vs. +42 for Vegas.

The reason they won the division was their 5 shoot out wins, vs 0 for the Oilers.

Ok. Now let’s look at games vs. the worst division in hockey?

The Oilers had 8 more points in the division than the Knights, so Vegas was better against teams not named Anaheim and San Jose.

[CaptainCrunch]

The times I tuned in, the Knights looked like a bit better of a team, that was a bit heavier on the puck.

I do think they held onto the puck too long at times.

The return of the really poor defensive coverage by the Oilers on 3 of the 6 goals.

Skinner hasn't been anything special. But they're having to outscore him.

I think that the Knights continue to lean on the Oilers hard in game two.

McDavid hasn't really looked all that inspired. But he had the white board last night people the white board.

[Yeah_Baby]

I really wonder if McDavid is injured.
Or maybe he's just looking very average after a monster season.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The whole "targeting" Stone thing seems a little made up by the panel.

Out of the clips they show, Kane's crosscheck seems like the only one that would be targeted.
They show Mcdavid swinging his stick past him with one hand not even making contact.
RNH with a tiny shoulder bump after Stone plays the puck.
Nurse, Bouchard, and Desharnais giving him cross checks when he's in front of the net, which happens approximately 100 times per game.

Not really seeing the concerted effort at targeting Stone that the panel is selling.

Yeah, you would probably feel the same way if it was McDavid the mentioned being “targeted”

Only in that case being “targeted” would be the audacity of a player to actually play defence or heaven forbid… make body contact.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I really wonder if McDavid is injured.
Or maybe he's just looking very average after a monster season.

There was a report a few days ago about him favoring his leg during a practice. I didn't think much of it, but could be something there.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Ok. Now let’s look at games vs. the worst division in hockey?

The Oilers had 8 more points in the division than the Knights, so Vegas was better against teams not named Anaheim and San Jose.

Since both teams were in the same division, they had equal games vs. all the teams.

I recall reading once (although my memory is not always that great anymore LOL) that the team with the better goal differential wins a series more often than the team with the better record (although in the majority of series, one team is better in both).

Although I actually think that was in baseball. But the difference wasn't particularly large.

But I believe its based on the theory that goal differential is a better stat in determining how good a team is vs. actual record.

At the end of the day, Vegas and the Oilers look like pretty much even teams. I put Vegas as the favourite due to having home ice advantage. The extra 2 points they got is pretty meaningless, other than it gave them home ice advantage, which is pretty meaningful.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I really wonder if McDavid is injured.
Or maybe he's just looking very average after a monster season.

I think it's pretty obvious there's something wrong - McDavid doesn't have the foot speed that he usually brings. If the Oilers acknowledged it, he'd probably get the same treatment that Stone is.

Either that, or the weight of carrying everyone except Draisaitl on his back is starting to take a toll?