2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams with a ton of cap space usually has it because they are not spending to the cap. And if they do decide to use it, it's usually to get a great asset for taking on that cap space.

You expect a team to give up a third round pick on the off chance Monny can return a 2nd round pick at the deadline? Talk about an expensive gamble with little upside.

We are talking about over $6M in cap space the Flames are (knowingly) desperate to move. No one will simply do them such a favour.

Now, if Monny proves himself healthy and effective, that's a different matter. But the odds appear long on that account, if you've been paying attention with his complete lack of production for some time.

Your incessant panning of Monahan is so tiring. I often wonder if you're capable of thinking of anything else.

Monahan has only 1 year left on his contract and is a former 40 goal scorers under 28. Someone is definitely going to take him off our hands for mild assets. Look at the stepan trade as an example.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Your incessant panning of Monahan is so tiring. I often wonder if you're capable of thinking of anything else.

Monahan has only 1 year left on his contract and is a former 40 goal scorers under 28. Someone is definitely going to take him off our hands for mild assets. Look at the stepan trade as an example.

Yeah, there’s a good chance some GM thinks he will be a real bargain in acquisition cost versus potential if he blossoms (assuming cap space). And they might be right.

[Moneyhands23]

Monahan may be as healthy to start the year as he has for 3 seasons.

He could put up reasonable numbers and hid work ethic is top notch.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Your incessant panning of Monahan is so tiring. I often wonder if you're capable of thinking of anything else.

Monahan has only 1 year left on his contract and is a former 40 goal scorers under 28. Someone is definitely going to take him off our hands for mild assets. Look at the stepan trade as an example.

Like with all things, time will tell. I've acknowledged that if he proves himself healthy and productive , all bets are off. I just believe he needs to do those two things before anyone will gamble anything on that occurring.

Let's see if Calgary can easily move him for value then.

The fact that he is a former 40 goal scorer is largely irrelevant today if he's not healthy enough to produce this year.

Stephan is a poor comparison, he wasn't injured and at the time of the trade to Ottawa was owed about $1M more in salary. That's a far cry from $6M.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Monahan may be as healthy to start the year as he has for 3 seasons.

He could put up reasonable numbers and hid work ethic is top notch.

That is true, but he may not be. I believe he'll need to prove that before anyone takes that gamble.

I hope Calgary can move him (as someone said, for mild assets) before the season, as they sure can use the cap space, especially if the sign Johnny and Tkachuk to new contracts.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Your incessant panning of Monahan is so tiring. I often wonder if you're capable of thinking of anything else.

Monahan has only 1 year left on his contract and is a former 40 goal scorers under 28. Someone is definitely going to take him off our hands for mild assets. Look at the stepan trade as an example.

Interesting that we think another GM will take a gamble on Monahan for mild assets, if he is such a high chance to bounce back you’d think we’d keep him cause we could always use 20-30 goals he magically might produce. Plus don’t we need to keep him to make 13 happy?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams with a ton of cap space usually has it because they are not spending to the cap. And if they do decide to use it, it's usually to get a great asset for taking on that cap space.

You expect a team to give up a third round pick on the off chance Monny can return a 2nd round pick at the deadline? Talk about an expensive gamble with little upside.

We are talking about over $6M in cap space the Flames are (knowingly) desperate to move. No one will simply do them such a favour.

Now, if Monny proves himself healthy and effective, that's a different matter. But the odds appear long on that account, if you've been paying attention with his complete lack of production for some time.

I said a 2nd+ and think it could be more of Monahan is healthy and finds his game. Centers who are good at face offs and score goals in the dirty areas like Monahan don’t grow on trees. If a team is going to take a chance on a player who has struggled but has a history of being a very productive player will likely feel a lot more comfortable taking the risk when there is only a year left on the deal.

Bad example here but when the Flames traded for Hamonic he was a year + removed from being a top end player and had a poor injury riddled season the year before he was dealt. The sub $4M cap hit was big in that deal but since he was under 30 I think there was a strong market for him.

Monahan is 27 turning 28 early in the regular season. He was a prime asset for Calgary a couple of years ago but now he likely can be had for cap relief. I could totally see a Seattle, Pittisburgh or other team who would be willing to take the low risk.

If Monahan turns it around he is worth a 1st at the deadline but unless he is completely broken and washed a team can likely get better assets for him at the deadline than they pay to acquire him in the summer

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Interesting that we think another GM will take a gamble on Monahan for mild assets, if he is such a high chance to bounce back you’d think we’d keep him cause we could always use 20-30 goals he magically might produce. Plus don’t we need to keep him to make 13 happy?

I would prefer to keep him personally. But I also wonder if there's more between the player and the org here re injuries that were not hearing causing some strife. The timing of his surgery last season was... very poor to say the least. I do definitely think there is some interplay with Johnny too. Yeah they're professionals but pros in any field are affected by the opinions and ongoing of their peers and friends, and there's endless evidence that Sean and Johnny have a genuine friendship. And have had genuine success together as peers in the league.

The other issue is obviously cap: it's probably impossible to have a positive situation, without sig ificant winger elcs, that a competitor for the cup spends more than 5 million on a 3c. That alone likely means we need to lose one of Backlund or Monahan. Most are choosing Backlund.

[Harry Lime]

If Monahan does bounce back, he is a solid offensive line centre. Backlund could then centre the defensive line, and Sutter deploys as needed.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Interesting that we think another GM will take a gamble on Monahan for mild assets, if he is such a high chance to bounce back you’d think we’d keep him cause we could always use 20-30 goals he magically might produce. Plus don’t we need to keep him to make 13 happy?

More than Lucic needs to be moved before the Flames can afford to keep Johnny and Chucky (Mangiapane as well). Monahan makes the most sense but I do think the team would prefer to keep him if they could.

Flames likely won’t flip Toffoli or Coleman since both were recently brought in. What other cap hit should they move out to make it all work? Backlund?

[Toonage]

If the Flames want to keep the core together, Lucic & Monahan can't stay. Full stop.

[Sylvanfan]

If Monahan rebounded to score 22 goals and 50 points next year and post improved advanced and possession stats would we all be happy?

I would think so. But even that would be mediocre value for what he will be paid.

So even if you think he can rebound to that, what's a guy making 6.375 a year for one year worth to give you that?

I think you are lucky right now to garner a 5th for that. His career high is 34 goals and that happened 4 years ago. Even if healthy, odds are that his days of scoring 30 goals are probably behind him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

If Monahan rebounded to score 22 goals and 50 points next year and post improved advanced and possession stats would we all be happy?

I would think so. But even that would be mediocre value for what he will be paid.

So even if you think he can rebound to that, what's a guy making 6.375 a year for one year worth to give you that?

I think you are lucky right now to garner a 5th for that. His career high is 34 goals and that happened 4 years ago. Even if healthy, odds are that his days of scoring 30 goals are probably behind him.

If teams knew that Monny was going to rebound and score 22 goals and 50 points next year with improved advanced and possession stats, he'd likely be worth a 1st round pick.

Now I'm assuming he's doing that as the 2nd line centre with PP time, and not stapled to the first line.

[iggyloob12]

I'd be curious to know how Monahan's off-season training is progressing and if he's back on the ice or working 1:1 with a skating specialist. He's got to know that this is a make-or-break season for his career with huge implications for his next contract.

[CliffFletcher]

Monahan ($2 mil retained) for Nemeth seems a realistic deal. Flames get a serviceable 3rd pairing guy (which they need anyway) and $2.25 mil in cap space next season while taking on $2.5 mil in cap for one more year. The Rangers get a reclamation project who they can slot into #3C at a position they’re weak in, while taking on $2.25 cap hit this season and saving $2.5 mil the following year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

I'd be curious to know how Monahan's off-season training is progressing and if he's back on the ice or working 1:1 with a skating specialist. He's got to know that this is a make-or-break season for his career with huge implications for his next contract.

Treliving did indicate he's ahead of schedule, but how far, who knows?

[Zulu29]

If Monahan becomes serviceable again why would we want to trade him? He’d likely re-sign for less than his current contract and could be a big boost for the top 9.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Monahan ($2 mil retained) for Nemeth seems a realistic deal. Flames get a serviceable 3rd pairing guy (which they need anyway) and $2.25 mil in cap space next season while taking on $2.5 mil in cap for one more year. The Rangers get a reclamation project who they can slot into #3C at a position they’re weak in, while taking on $2.25 cap hit this season and saving $2.5 mil the following year.

Seems like a crappy deal for the Flames to only save 2.25M in cap space.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

If Monahan becomes serviceable again why would we want to trade him? He’d likely re-sign for less than his current contract and could be a big boost for the top 9.

Cap space would be the only reason the Flames would trade him.

[Yoho]

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