Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PostandIn]

Well, President Zelenskyy thinks Justin is doing a great job ...

https://twitter.com/brianlilley/stat...CZaUHqOm6328xg

[Fuzz]

Ya, but Azure is Canada's #1 armchair QB with the gift of hindsight. Don't expect facts to change that.

[Azure]

In May, Canadian Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson said the Canadian government was in discussions with the companies behind two proposed east coast LNG export facilities to see how it could speed up the projects and help boost supply to Europe. read more

Canada, the world's sixth-largest natural gas producer, does not have any east coast LNG facilities and only one under construction on its west coast.

"In terms of CO2 footprint and proximity to European markets Canadian east coast projects are very well placed," one of the sources said.

The second source said that Canadians were eager to develop new fields given high shale gas prices and recognised Germany's reputation as being environmentally friendly.

Germany consumes around 100 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas annually with around 55% of that coming from Russia and smaller volumes piped from Netherlands and Norway.

Spanish oil major Repsol's (REP.MC) regasification plant on Canada's east coast, through which it imports into the United States, could potentially have a liquefaction capacity installed to export directly into Northwest Europe, an industry source said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...al-2022-06-28/

You can go back '5, 10, 15' years and look at the increasing reliance by Germany & Europe on Russian gas and see it as a missed opportunity from the 6th biggest producer in the world of natural gas who currently has ZERO LNG export capabilities, or you can whine about costs and other stupidity and dance around the issue like Canadians love to do.

And yes, I realize that all this means we should have built LNG export facilities on the east coast with pipelines to send western province produced natural gas east.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...al-2022-06-28/

You can go back '5, 10, 15' years and look at the increasing reliance by Germany & Europe on Russian gas and see it as a missed opportunity from the 6th biggest producer in the world of natural gas who currently has ZERO LNG export capabilities, or you can whine about costs and other stupidity and dance around the issue like Canadians love to do.

And yes, I realize that all this means we should have built LNG export facilities on the east coast with pipelines to send western province produced natural gas east.

It is pretty easy to see that Europe, in particular eastern Europe, has a stability issue with natural gas supply due to their reliance on Russia. I believe that it is at least 5 times in the last 20 years that supply disruptions have crippled eastern Europe mostly as a result of political pressure that Russia was trying to use against the EU countries. The EU and Canada could have worked towards some sort of supply agreement but little to no progress was made.

[V]

I think Azure's a bit of a whiny complainer too, but his negativity has always been focused on the government, not the country itself. It's a very strange thing to equate the two.

[1991 Canadian]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...al-2022-06-28/

You can go back '5, 10, 15' years and look at the increasing reliance by Germany & Europe on Russian gas and see it as a missed opportunity from the 6th biggest producer in the world of natural gas who currently has ZERO LNG export capabilities, or you can whine about costs and other stupidity and dance around the issue like Canadians love to do.

And yes, I realize that all this means we should have built LNG export facilities on the east coast with pipelines to send western province produced natural gas east.

Cost is everything.

For the record, I likely agree with your frustrations and I told you so's for Canada's west coast LNG mismanagement. The Asian LNG/natural gas market has been lucrative for a long time.

Canada's west coast LNG export delays have been a huge missed opportunity. Canada's East Coast LNG is not economically competitive without Canadian or German taxpayer subsidies.

This July 2018 report on the economic viability and hurdles for Canada LNG development does a better job breaking this down than I ever could.

https://ceri.ca/assets/files/Study_172_Full_Report.pdf

East Coast Canada LNG to Europe Estimate (July 2018): $11.17 /mmbtu
Russian Natural Gas July 2018: $7.62 / mmbtu

Germany uses 80.5 mmbtu/household of natural gas for heating/electricity. So if Germany wanted to be supplied with Canadian LNG, it would cost
an extra $285 per year in heating/electricity costs per family. It is not an insurmountable amount, but this cost has to be paid by someone.

[Northendzone]

so who of you guys out here went and mobbed our glorious leader on the weekend at stampede?

i did not.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

so who of you guys out here went and mobbed our glorious leader on the weekend at stampede?

i did not.

I'll give him props for showing up. The easy move would have been not to come. Chretien avoided Alberta like the plague and he wasn't nearly as detested by Albertans. That said Chretien was a far more competent PM as I feel Justin wouldn't be nearly as detested if he and his party actually did something other than kicking the can down the road on almost all major issues.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

Cost is everything.

For the record, I likely agree with your frustrations and I told you so's for Canada's west coast LNG mismanagement. The Asian LNG/natural gas market has been lucrative for a long time.

Canada's west coast LNG export delays have been a huge missed opportunity. Canada's East Coast LNG is not economically competitive without Canadian or German taxpayer subsidies.

This July 2018 report on the economic viability and hurdles for Canada LNG development does a better job breaking this down than I ever could.

https://ceri.ca/assets/files/Study_172_Full_Report.pdf

East Coast Canada LNG to Europe Estimate (July 2018): $11.17 /mmbtu
Russian Natural Gas July 2018: $7.62 / mmbtu

Germany uses 80.5 mmbtu/household of natural gas for heating/electricity. So if Germany wanted to be supplied with Canadian LNG, it would cost
an extra $285 per year in heating/electricity costs per family. It is not an insurmountable amount, but this cost has to be paid by someone.

You make it sound like the likelihood of profit should drive companies on whether they should make an investment to ship LNG to Europe. That clearly flies in the face of Trudeau is an idiot, so that theory that private companies should expect to make a profit before they make large investments should be rejected.

[calculoso]

Bravo Trudeau and Federal Government

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546993397545766919

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Bravo Trudeau and Federal Government

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546993397545766919

Good force governments like the UCP to spend the money properly

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Good force governments like the UCP to spend the money properly

Quebec is the most vocal proponent of a no strings attached deal. They want autonomy and for the feds to take a no questions asked approach.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Quebec is the most vocal proponent of a no strings attached deal. They want autonomy and for the feds to take a no questions asked approach.

Same goes for Quebec or any province, health transfers are for health care.

[CliffFletcher]

The feds need to be even more specific: the money is for expanding health care capacity.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by V

I think Azure's a bit of a whiny complainer too, but his negativity has always been focused on the government, not the country itself.

Not really actually.

It's a very strange thing to equate the two.

These are strange times V, strange times.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Good force governments like the UCP to spend the money properly

Like the Liberals fo? Lol

[Ozy_Flame]

We want money for Healthcare!

Ok, but only if you provide the receipts.

No.

[chemgear]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/refuge...home-1.5988549

Refugee family claims Canadian tax dollars are being wasted on overpriced temporary home

The visibly frustrated father tells CTV National News: “The whole world is pressuring Afghanistan to let girls go to school and let them study, my kids in Canada aren’t able to go to school for the last 10 months. What kind of rules, what kind of system is this?”

He recalls Polycultural staff telling him: “You stay in the hotel or you’re going to stay at the house we offered you.” The Talash family refused to move into the home and they’re back at the hotel, which is not where they want to be.

A refugee advocate is raising the question: why would a company using taxpayer money refuse to lease a cheaper home more suitable for a family who has been waiting nearly a year for clarity on their refugee status?

Over multiple days this week, CTV National News requested an interview with federal Immigration Minister Sean Fraser. His office said he was unavailable for a 10-minute interview because he was travelling. The minister's social media pages place him at the Calgary Stampede, where multiple photos were posted of the minister with Canadian immigrants.

CTV National News asked Fraser's office why PolyCultural is renting semi-detached homes for $4,500 a month when clearly there’s larger detached homes in the same area on the market for $3500 dollars?

[Firebot]

Friendly reminder that you may have gotten your Trudeau bucks in your bank account today.

[Azure]

Trudeau talked today a bit about the 2 billion tree planting pledge. Could be one of his bigger wins if he gets it done.

CTV thinks they're behind schedule, but my understanding is it takes a few years to ramp up, and then it moves WAY faster.