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Gaskal · 11-04-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Weekes should out his source.

Here is what happened in my fantasy head:

Adams: Weeksies, I got an offer from Calgary. It may even be a Tkachuk.
Weekes: Omg Flames offered Tkachuk!!!
Treliving: Guys what the ####? What ####ing happened to confidentiality?
Weekes: Hey its just what Kevyn was heavily implying.
Adams: Okay look, I may have phrased that really badly for Weeksie. I will fix this for you Tre. Tomorrow morning when the trade is announced for Vegas all, all of us will go on record saying the Tkachuk thing was BS. There!
Treliving: #### you, I'm already putting fires out left and right
Adams: OK OK I will go get the guy thats close with the Tkachuk camp to say it was BS. Right now. Happy?
Treliving: No now I get a ####ing angry mob on me in the morning for not getting Eichel for a #### package because that's what McCrimmon and McPhee are giving you so #### you all.

djsFlames · 11-04-2021, 11:34 AM

Sutter: we have an Eichel at home

Eichel at home:

Ped · 11-04-2021, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

Ok so they have to move... 9.5 million off the current roster now that they traded Tuch.

Smith is probably gone for pennies on the dollar so thats 4.25 out, leaving 4.75. Probably have to try and let go of Marchessault for cheap. Two more from the original expansion draft out the door.

But if I'm any other GM around the league I wait until the offseason to pull a trigger on a Marchessault or Karlsson bargain bin because why would I give a freebies team like Vegas more help... let's see how you tap dance around the return of your savior without someone taking salary off your payroll.

They didn't blow their whole leg off, but they definitely shot themselves in the foot. If that makes any sense.

Makes the Dadonov signing even stranger.

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but Vegas will eventually run into personnel problems throwing away players they've committed to, to always chase the next big thing to come onto the market.

GioforPM · 11-04-2021, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Tuch is a 70 point player? Since when?

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Citation needed on the 70 points...

Next year. I think on a second line he's good for it.

Seriously, I made a mistake. He's a .70 PPG guy. I do think he has upside though. He was underused in Vegas.

edslunch · 11-04-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

Ok so they have to move... 9.5 million off the current roster now that they traded Tuch.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454236298470838274

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454236299745894405

Smith is probably gone for pennies on the dollar so thats 4.25 out, leaving 4.75. Probably have to try and let go of Marchessault for cheap. Two more from the original expansion draft out the door.

But if I'm any other GM around the league I wait until the offseason to pull a trigger on a Marchessault or Karlsson bargain bin because why would I give a freebies team like Vegas more help... let's see how you tap dance around the return of your savior without someone taking salary off your payroll.

They didn't blow their whole leg off, but they definitely shot themselves in the foot. If that makes any sense.

So the real deal is Eichel + scraps for Tuch, Krebs, Marchessault, Smith and pick

dino7c · 11-04-2021, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

If Treliving went in dangling Monahan, he was never in this trade. Maybe he needs to stop pretending he's in every deal to make it look like he's working hard.

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The rumored deal would have been bad for the Flames...not sure how he is pretending he is in on every deal when the media is making things up

GranteedEV · 11-04-2021, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Mangiapane will not make more than $5 million on a long term deal. If so, maybe $5.25.

His shooting percentage will calm down and he will likely end up as a 20 goal 50 point guy.

You consistently have some of the less-good takes on this board.

Mangiapane has 45 goals on his last 437 shot attempts (10.3%)
Mangiapane is on pace for 227 more shot attempts this season.

At 10.3%, he will score 23 more goals if he merely maintains the percentages he has put up over these three seasons.

He's at 7 goals.

So IF Mangiaapne's percentages regress out - he'll have 30 goals.
From PP2, and line ~3.

He's getting paid.

Knightslayer · 11-04-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Next year. I think on a second line he's good for it.

Seriously, I made a mistake. He's a .70 PPG guy. I do think he has upside though. He was underused in Vegas.

Definitely agree he has 70 point possibility especially getting top minutes on Buffalo.

edslunch · 11-04-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Tuch is a 70 point player? Since when?

Career 139 points, so no, not even pro-rated. Max was 52

Knightslayer · 11-04-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You consistently have some of the less-good takes on this board.

Mangiapane has 45 goals on his last 437 shot attempts (10.3%)
Mangiapane is on pace for 227 more shot attempts this season.

At 10.3%, he will score 23 more goals if he merely maintains the percentages he has put up over these three seasons.

He's at 7 goals.

So IF Mangiaapne's percentages regress out - he'll have 30 goals.
From PP2, and line ~3.

He's getting paid.

Yes, he's getting paid, did I say he wasn't? You think $5 million is not getting paid?

437 shot attempts or shots?

Fighting Banana Slug · 11-04-2021, 11:42 AM

From a Buffalo perspective, they clearly like Tuch and his contract and the potential of Krebs. Surprised they settled for top 10 protection on the draft pick. It would have been tough for Calgary to match, as I think Mangiapane would be close, but without the contract certainty. The ask might have been Hanifan or Lindholm, which would be a big no from me.

I think Vegas did well, but the true cost is still yet unknown. I think they end up giving away Patches, Smith or Marchessault + a sweetener, perhaps even Theodore to make the cap work. They will still see some pain to get Eichel in the lineup.

GhostCookie · 11-04-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ped

Makes the Dadonov signing even stranger.

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but Vegas will eventually run into personnel problems throwing away players they've committed to, to always chase the next big thing to come onto the market.

They've certainly made sure their reputation is that loyalty is day-to-day.

While it won't exactly turn Vegas into a talent wasteland that no one wants to go to, it will certainly shape contract structure for players signing with Vegas. More trade/movement protection, less taking long term to lower AAV, things like that.

It will make for an interesting off season with Vegas trying to get players on discount due to limited cap space.

GranteedEV · 11-04-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Yes, he's getting paid, did I say he wasn't? You think $5 million is not getting paid?

$5 million dollars is not getting paid, when you're 25, have elite underlying metrics, and have what is likely to be 80 goals in his last ~230 games.

You can probably expect a number around $7M for Mangiapane

dino7c · 11-04-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Career 139 points, so no, not even pro-rated. Max was 52

Mangiapane has never had more than 32

it is possible a young player hasn't had his best season yet

CalgarySames · 11-04-2021, 11:43 AM

I am a little disappointed the Flames didn't get this deal done. It also seems like Tkachuk wasn't a part of our offer, which makes it nice to know where the team stands on Tkachuk. In my mind this brings up three questions.

What effect does this have on re-signing Gaudreau? (Was Gaudreau waiting to see if the Flames would bring in a top talent Center before committing to more years in Calgary)

Does this mean we will lose Coronato in the long run, like Adam Fox? (Playing with a Jack Eichel type player could convince a lot of people to join a Cup push)

Where does the team go from here? (With how well some of our prospects did in camp, it seemed like the Flames were in a position to make a trade and have the young guys step in to fill those holes. Now those players are forced to wait in the wings even longer before getting their opportunities. I think that's the reason why Fox didn't view the Flames as a place he could get a fair chance, and possibly the same perspective Coronato has)...

GranteedEV · 11-04-2021, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Yes, he's getting paid, did I say he wasn't? You think $5 million is not getting paid?

437 shot attempts or shots?

Shot attempts.

Because missing wide doesn't mean a chance wasn't good. And hitting a goalie in the crest doesn't mean a chance was aimed better.

Shooting percentage that ignores missed/blocked shots is a useless stat in a league where everyone is aiming topshelf.

Reign of Fire · 11-04-2021, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

The rumored deal would have been bad for the Flames...not sure how he is pretending he is in on every deal when the media is making things up

32 teams in the league, why did the media pick on Treliving? Someone leaked the rumor, and I still don't believe it was completely made up. Anyways, I am glad I didn't buy into Flames having a legit shot at Eichel. Seen this dog and pony show one too many times.

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Knightslayer · 11-04-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

$5 million dollars is not getting paid, when you're 25, have elite underlying metrics, and have what is likely to be 70 goals in his last ~200 games.

You can probably expect a number around $7M for Mangiapane

Ok so why isn't Sutter using him more if his underlying metrics are so elite?

$7 million??!! That is asinine. I will bet everything I own he doesn't get $7 million a year from the Calgary Flames.

cowtown75 · 11-04-2021, 11:46 AM

Whether we got Eichel or not, I'm just glad he was FINALLY traded and we don't have to talk about it anymore. Now, hopefully, we can focus on more realistic trade targets that Brad can MAYBE get.

Matty81 · 11-04-2021, 11:47 AM

Tuch is ok but painting him as some guy with lots of ceiling is ridiculous. He has been averaging 16 minutes a night for years and is a 40-60 point a year middle 6 winger. He is turning 26 shortly. He's a fine player but he's not a super valuable asset on face value.

Though as everybody has been saying maybe Buffalo just loves him and Krebs despite Krebs sucking in the NHL so far