[News] Monahan knows what's on the line this season: 'I have a lot to prove'

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The problem with moving Monahan is he has a 10 team no trade list and unfortunately Arizona is almost certainly on there. Otherwise you could just toss them a 3rd and a b prospect to take his contract away. They have almost no players under contract next year, they have to get to the cap floor somehow.

If I’m Monahan’s agent my sell is he needs to go to a team like Arizona to build up value for his next contract. The guy needs PP time and top 6 minutes to put up points and there are few places he’d get that opportunity. Could end up being the best thing for him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

If I’m Monahan’s agent my sell is he needs to go to a team like Arizona to build up value for his next contract. The guy needs PP time and top 6 minutes to put up points and there are few places he’d get that opportunity. Could end up being the best thing for him.

Yeah, if his time with Calgary is up, he and his agent will understand that the best thing for him is opportunity. He won't be in a position to be picky.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There are no teams where the cap space is irrelevant.

The better teams are always up against the cap.

The teams with lots of cap space generally have that space on purpose, as they don't want to spend to the cap. They simply don't take bodies to increase their expenditures. They may do so for a price though, usually to collect good draft picks.

Cap floor, Yotes need warm bodies that can get them there

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Cap floor, Yotes need warm bodies that can get them there

They might participate in a 3 team double salary retention trade as well.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Cap floor, Yotes need warm bodies that can get them there

Yep they are a team that would try to pry some picks out of Calgary to take on Monahan. If not, they can just go sign free agents and extend their own players to meet the cap floor.

[Vinny01]

I am guessing this proposal is crazy and value is off

To Seattle: Monahan, Dube, Zary, Valimaki, 2nd 22 + 2nd in 23 (turns into 1st if Flames win the cup in 22 or 23)

To Calgary: Giordano, Jarnkrok, McCann

Helps the flames with cap issues next year or at least makes it easier to deal with the immediate concerns. They would get a second line C to play with Mangiapane and Toffoli, they add a solid depth W/C to play with Coleman/Backlund or center the 4th line. Gio comes back to hopefully win a cup in the city where he played all his professional hockey outside of 1 year in the K and part of a season in Seattle

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am guessing this proposal is crazy and value is off

To Seattle: Monahan, Dube, Zary, Valimaki, 2nd 22 + 2nd in 23 (turns into 1st if Flames win the cup in 22 or 23)

To Calgary: Giordano, Jarnkrok, McCann

Helps the flames with cap issues next year or at least makes it easier to deal with the immediate concerns. They would get a second line C to play with Mangiapane and Toffoli, they add a solid depth W/C to play with Coleman/Backlund or center the 4th line. Gio comes back to hopefully win a cup in the city where he played all his professional hockey outside of 1 year in the K and part of a season in Seattle

Wow, that's steep. I think the Flames will deal Monahan in the off season along with Dube (if he's not already on the trading block for the trade deadline). I think come playoffs, Monahan will be healthy for once. Sutter's goal is likely to protect Monahan from getting injured. Hopefully, it'll be a pleasant surprise in the playoffs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Cap floor, Yotes need warm bodies that can get them there

Yes of course, but they can do that by taking unwanted contracts for a high fee, or simply sign UFA's they can flip.

They don't have to willingly take on bad contracts at will.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Wow, that's steep. I think the Flames will deal Monahan in the off season along with Dube (if he's not already on the trading block for the trade deadline). I think come playoffs, Monahan will be healthy for once. Sutter's goal is likely to protect Monahan from getting injured. Hopefully, it'll be a pleasant surprise in the playoffs.

I agree Monahan is likely dealt with in the summer. I am not sure if he will be effective at all in the playoffs but that will be the hope. Maybe he finds his 2017 touch where he scored on the PP in all 4 losses to the Ducks?

This team is very thin up the middle so to me a center should be the top priority over a Dman in the next 2 weeks.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am guessing this proposal is crazy and value is off

To Seattle: Monahan, Dube, Zary, Valimaki, 2nd 22 + 2nd in 23 (turns into 1st if Flames win the cup in 22 or 23)

To Calgary: Giordano, Jarnkrok, McCann

Helps the flames with cap issues next year or at least makes it easier to deal with the immediate concerns. They would get a second line C to play with Mangiapane and Toffoli, they add a solid depth W/C to play with Coleman/Backlund or center the 4th line. Gio comes back to hopefully win a cup in the city where he played all his professional hockey outside of 1 year in the K and part of a season in Seattle

Each of Gio, McCann and Janrock can be moved without taking salary back for draft picks ranging from1 the st round to the 2nd round.

I would expect Valimaki still has good value, although Calgary has soured on him for some reason. I expect Seattle could do better simply trading those players separately. Hard to imagine they would trade all 3 without getting a 1st round pick back.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I would expect Valimaki still has good value, although Calgary has soured on him for some reason. .

He got outplayed , lost his position and is now trying to find his way back.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am guessing this proposal is crazy and value is off

To Seattle: Monahan, Dube, Zary, Valimaki, 2nd 22 + 2nd in 23 (turns into 1st if Flames win the cup in 22 or 23)

To Calgary: Giordano, Jarnkrok, McCann

Helps the flames with cap issues next year or at least makes it easier to deal with the immediate concerns. They would get a second line C to play with Mangiapane and Toffoli, they add a solid depth W/C to play with Coleman/Backlund or center the 4th line. Gio comes back to hopefully win a cup in the city where he played all his professional hockey outside of 1 year in the K and part of a season in Seattle

Flames don't have the cap space to make that work. You'd have to send another contract to Seattle to clear up the needed space. Either that or Seattle would have to retain something like 30% of Gio's salary (something they could easily do as his deal expires this July).

In regards to bringing in Gio without trading away any defensemen currently on the roster, do you demote someone from the top 6 to make room for Gio, or do you just assign him as the #7 defenseman? Seems like it would be a big change for him to go from playing huge minutes every night to suddenly having little to no ice time.

Plus, if you move out assets to offload Monahan's contract now, there's still the question of how do you move out Lucic's contract in the offseason.

[Harry Lime]

I'm starting to think that the only trade that I want to see in the forward ranks is one that sends Ritchie out to a team that needs some toughness. I'm much more comfortable having Phillips or Gawdin as the 14th forward (after Richardson), than Ritchie.

On defense I understand the want for depth, but it's going to be a guy that understands that he is here as a high end injury replacement for the playoffs. I actually think that Mackie can stand in for either of the bottom four LD right now and play well. Valimaki a bit of a wildcard, just due to age and experience. Stone is steady on the RD. I'm not worried if nothing happens.

Tre did all of his work early.

I do however expect a very busy off-season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yep they are a team that would try to pry some picks out of Calgary to take on Monahan. If not, they can just go sign free agents and extend their own players to meet the cap floor.

Well their own players suck and free agents won't be lining up to go there on one year deals...Monahan is a good vet IMO.

We will see, I think the Flames will get rid of Monahan without having to give up much if anything.

Monahan/Dube trade seems possible. Basically get Dube for next to nothing if you are willing to eat one year of Monahan. Who knows, he might put up points playing in a bigger role.

only one year left is a huge factor IMO

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well their own players suck and free agents won't be lining up to go there on one year deals...Monahan is a good vet IMO.

We will see, I think the Flames will get rid of Monahan without having to give up much if anything.

Monahan/Dube trade seems possible. Basically get Dube for next to nothing if you are willing to eat one year of Monahan. Who knows, he might put up points playing in a bigger role.

only one year left is a huge factor IMO

I think lots of UFA's would go to sunny Arizona on one year deals where they get lots of ice time and re-establish some value.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think lots of UFA's would go to sunny Arizona on one year deals where they get lots of ice time and re-establish some value.

I don’t think many players are lining up to go to a tanking situation and playing in a garbage 5,000 seat arena.

[manwiches]

Monahan had a really good game last night i thought. Just unfortunate that the primary passes he setup couldn't be buried. Also had a good stick on Yamamoto too to deflect a great shot against

[Lanny_McDonald]

Monahan continues to some really great work as assigned by the coach. Really a true professional and only cares about team success. I think he's still trending toward a buy-out at the end of the year, but there will be plenty of interest around the league and whoever snaps him up will get a player with huge bounce back potential.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Even one year of a bad contract has negative value. We have seen that lots before. Why give up assets for Monahan when the team moving him has no option but to move him? I wouldn't expect a bidding war.

I hope I'm wrong but when has a bad contract been moved for value in return in the offseason, even with only one year left?

Just this last off-season:
Keith
Risto
Voracek
OELol

Going back a bit further, look at Derek Stepan's numbers the two years before OTT paid a 2nd (1x6.5MM).

Stastny (1x6.5M) got a 4th+Dahlstrom


I think the better question is which C's have been sweetened away or bought out?

Turris (term)
Wennberg (young enough for 1/3 BO)

I think there might have been one other 1/3 guy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Monahan had a really good game last night i thought. Just unfortunate that the primary passes he setup couldn't be buried. Also had a good stick on Yamamoto too to deflect a great shot against

Yes, he's made a number of great passes especially on the 2nd power play unit (Kylington got a couple last game). I'm tending to think his shot is gone or his shooting confidence or both. But he's playing decent positional hockey, he's in position to score, he makes good passes and underrated in his own end. and he's still good at faceoffs. He may have to rebuild his game but he can be a solid guy still.