Coronavirus and sports

[djsFlames]

I want fan-less playoffs with various precautions taken for the players.

I think it would be really interesting. You're still playing out the games on the ice, as they're supposed to be. You could have players addressing fans at home and even have feeds from smaller venues to show players the celebrations/reactions on screens, or something of the like.

People would be more irked by an unfinished season that promised the likes of a BOA series among many other storylines. It deserves a real ending, if we can facilitate it somehow.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Yes, if you actually look at the history of break outs it does happen every year with in a certian region with evey 3 years for a world wide for cause of concern. Just depends on the media reporting it but if you do your own fact checking their ar large portions of the world that go through this every year and then every few years it makes it out of those regions that make our media take note .

When’s the last time a League shut down 3 years ago?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

3.6% mortality rate is what tour trying to say. That's the official number.

OK, then, 36 times higher than the flu.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK, then, 36 times higher than the flu.

What that makes no sense ... there are so many strains of the flu.. your saying every other strain of the flu has a zero chance of dieng from it? Uhh hello 2009 called and influenza disagrees. Or in 1968 3 % of ghe wworlds population actually effected still less than whats projected by today in % terms.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

this

may be the dumbest thing ever written

Its not fair they got to play more games?, please think before you type people

Sure they had more chances to win, but they also had more chances to lose. My point is that games played mean nothing unless you win them.

And even if you disagree if you think that’s the dumbest thing ever written I’d suggest you might need to start reading more. It’s probably not even the dumbest thing written in this thread.

Relax.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

What that makes no sense ... there are so many strains of the flu.. your saying every other strain of the flu has a zero chance of dieng from it? Uhh hello 2009 called and influenza disagrees.

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html


BTW, this won’t just kill people because of primary effects. Again, Italy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...al-bed/607807/

[djsFlames]

He's saying flu typically has around a 0.1% mortality rate. I heard that number on the radio tonight too.

3.6% = 36 times that.

So no, not zero.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Every pandemic? You make it sound like this happens every day.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html


BTW, this won’t just kill people because of primary effects. Again, Italy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...al-bed/607807/

Originally Posted by djsFlames

He's saying flu typically has around a 0.1% mortality rate. I heard that number on the radio tonight too.

3.6% = 36 times that.

So no, not zero.

Again like every virus the very eldery or those with compromised immune sysms like every other virus are the most affected. You even provide an article that said that much. The official number reported to be affected in such manner 15% will experience sevre symptoms the vast majority in those categories.

[flamesforthecup2017]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Sure they had more chances to win, but they also had more chances to lose.

are you arguing this from a wins percentage argument?

because if so i apologize and I sir have created the dumbest thing written


but if you are arguing that IF the playoffs are base off of the current points as they are in the standings. i fully stand behind my dumbest thing written post.

[Brodie66]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

W% is Wins/GP. The fact that Edmonton has 5 more points than Vancouver is skewed by Edmonton's OT losses.

So basically you're counting OT losses just like regular losses? I'm all for the Oilers getting screwed but that would be kinda rigged if they decided it based on that lol

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Again like every virus the very eldery or those with compromised immune sysms like every other virus are the most affected. You even provide an article that said that much. The official number reported to be affected in such manner 15% will experience sevre symptoms the vast majority in those categories.

Excuse me if I don’t like more people dying even if they are in a higher risk category. The numbers mean you will know someone who dies. Basically, if you know 1000 people who get it, you will know 36 people who die from it. Versus knowing one.

Plus, like I said, the more people in nigh risk categories who end up swamping medical facilities there are, the worse outcomes locus for all other patients. Imagine 36 times more people in ICU than during normal flu season.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Just like every other virius.

Last year it was zika. Hell influenza was at pandemic stages in 2009 . The difference in most of these viruses is we have more media thats easily consumable . Media looking for ratings is the difference. Yes the virus contagious with no vaccine but only the elderly ,very young and people with compromised immune systems are having difficulties. You have a very low chance of having a sevre complication. 15 % chance that is . And that is no different with any other virus. Calm down ...

Zika wasn't a pandemic. You seriously need help understanding severity, H1N1 or swine flu had a fatality rate of 0.01-0.08% and because it was related to the avian flu they had a vaccine available in 4 months or it could have killed millions.

COVID19 has no vaccine and won't have any for at least 18 months, it has a mortality rate of 2.5%. this thing is no joke, please stop being a dumbass!

[megatron]

To bring this back to sports...

The NRL (National Rugby League) started tonight. We have ~130 cases of COVID19 here in Australia with ~80 in NSW.

However, there are still around 20,000 people jam packed in the stadium to the see the start of the season (Parramatta vs Cantebury). They spoke to the CEO of the league before the match and he said the clubs have to take the necessary precautions, etc. but they will keep monitoring the situation.

I assume the spread here will be more wide spread and games will be played with no crowds or the season cancelled in a few weeks.

[FireGilbert]

^Also the Melbourne F1 going ahead this weekend.

[savemedrzaius]

Just inject all the players with covid-19 so they are on a level playing field.

If a fan is interested in seeing the games live they must buy a 14-day game pack. This package allows fans to live in the arena for 14 days and recieve several coupon booklets that allow for big savings on arena food.

All games that are played during that time are of course included in the 14-day game pack.

Bonus Feature! covid-19 player meet and greet.

VIP intensive care seats will be available for those interested.

[Itse]

I guess we should stop talking about mortality rates, because it seems to confuse the issue.

COVID-19 currently has an estimated hospitalization rate of somewhere between 5-15% and a median hospital stay of 10 days. Multiply that by a relatively modest population infection rate of, say, 40%, compare it to the reality of 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people (that seems to be roughly the right number for both US and Canada), and you start seeing problems.

In comparison, a influenzas have hospitalization rates in the ballpark of 0.05% for adults with no known conditions. Covid-19 is literally a hundred times worse.

The high hospitalization rate is why hospitals are overflowing in Italy, and why governments need to take extreme measures now. Tons of people will get sick and then get over it, but it makes all the difference in the world whether everyone gets sick at the same time or not.

Overflowing hospitals also mean the mortality rates go way up. In Italy it's now around 5-8%

Since percentages are rough for people to get a grip on, let's put it in dice rolls. The mortality rate for hospitalized patients is roughly 15%, and the hospitalization rate is something like that too.

Basically everybody who gets infected rolls two dice, and if you roll snake-eyes you die. (Snake-eyes is 2.77%, so this really is fairly close.)

Middle-aged healthy people get three dice (better hope you don't roll for an underlying condition you didn't know about), young people get four, but if you're over 80, you only get one die.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by Itse

I guess we should stop talking about mortality rates, because it seems to confuse the issue.

COVID-19 currently has an estimated hospitalization rate of somewhere between 5-15% and a median hospital stay of 10 days. Multiply that by a relatively modest population infection rate of, say, 40%, compare it to the reality of 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people (that seems to be roughly the right number for both US and Canada), and you start seeing problems.

In comparison, a influenzas have hospitalization rates in the ballpark of 0.05% for adults with no known conditions. Covid-19 is literally a hundred times worse.

The high hospitalization rate is why hospitals are overflowing in Italy, and why governments need to take extreme measures now. Tons of people will get sick and then get over it, but it makes all the difference in the world whether everyone gets sick at the same time or not.

Overflowing hospitals also mean the mortality rates go way up. In Italy it's now around 5-8%

Since percentages are rough for people to get a grip on, let's put it in dice rolls. The mortality rate for hospitalized patients is roughly 15%, and the hospitalization rate is something like that too.

Basically everybody who gets infected rolls two dice, and if you roll snake-eyes you die. (Snake-eyes is 2.77%, so this really is fairly close.)

Middle-aged healthy people get three dice (better hope you don't roll for an underlying condition you didn't know about), young people get four, but if you're over 80, you only get one die.

No chance this is correct in my opinion. If people with mild symptoms are being advised to self isolate and not even get tested in lots of places, how do we know how many people are affected. Korea is the only place with intensive testing rate and the number is way way way lower and still no chance they tested anywhere close to every infected person.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by gunnner

No chance this is correct in my opinion. If people with mild symptoms are being advised to self isolate and not even get tested in lots of places, how do we know how many people are affected. Korea is the only place with intensive testing rate and the number is way way way lower and still no chance they tested anywhere close to every infected person.

That's great, I'll absolutely take your opinion over expert interpretations of available statistics.

EDIT:
Mortality goes up and down pretty directly in relation to just how prepared a nation is, and hospitalization rates also change depending on average age and health of population.

For example China has a lot of smokers, US has a lot diabetics and Italy has a lot of old people. Each population and each healthcare system have their unique features, and thus the numbers will vary for each country.

South Korea for example is a clear outlier in just how prepared they were, since their health officials had just finished a simulation of a possible corona-outbreak in December 2019, when most of the world didn't really register the whole issue. They also have 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people, combined with a population easily agreeing to self-isolate and a state of the art information gathering technique developed specifically for this purpose.

[Tsawwassen]

SARS coronavirus had a 9.6% fatality rate and there is no vaccine for it.

[transplant99]

Sounds like their will be talks between the league and the PA later this morning and shortly after an announcement will be made as to what lies ahead.

My guess is there will be no games played for at least a month.

Also..havent heard a thing about junior hockeys response. One would think that they will follow the NHL lead, but with a team in a huge hotspot, they need to be proactive in all this.