[PST] Second Round: Anaheim (1st pacific) vs Edmonton (2nd pacific)

[Love]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Just because they arent as good as the best drafting teams doesn't mean things haven't improved.

I'm not saying we haven't improved, I'm just saying that those aren't the greatest of examples. When you go from drafting consistently in the late teens to around the top 5 for a few years, that's going to have a dramatic effect on the caliber of prospect that you are picking up in the first round. Let's see how the later picks develop before we can start declaring us a good (or even improved) drafting team.

2014 is looking pretty meh, 2015 is looks pretty decent and 2016 looks great to date.

[OminousFlames]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think there are two main reasons his development stalled or even receded
- I think he was highly uncoachable
- his hip problems dramatically altered his overall agility

He's one of those rare players that had his best seasons very early in his career

I would like to add that another reason for his decline is the game itself.. early in his career the 'big hit' was apart of the game and fans loved it.. even if it threw him off defensively. But with the NHL getting all hard on concussions and hits that may hit the head, via illegal check or legal. That part of the game was taken away from him. Players feared his big hits. Then he had to adapt.
I liked Phaneuf as a Flame, and I still like him.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think there are two main reasons his development stalled or even receded
- I think he was highly uncoachable
- his hip problems dramatically altered his overall agility

He's one of those rare players that had his best seasons very early in his career

Yeah, very weird that his career declined steeply from age 23 down, from all accounts his rather big head has shrunken with age and he actually doesn't look like an orange pylon either. people blame his hip and his lack of hockey sense but I have always wondered why did he seem to fall hard after an idiot came to town with a stupid "sloppy seconds" comment. he fell so far after that he reminded me of the goofy kid in the sandbox that got picked on and never fought back.

Very strange for a professional athlete to act like that.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

It wasn't a mistake if it was the right decision with the information available at the time.

This way you can justify any pick, including blunders like Yakupov. Yakupov did look like a right decision or at least not a major mistake with information available at the draft day.

[Rubicant]

More laughing at the oilers collapse, less talk about the flames drafting.

[jayswin]

Off ice was likely a big factor in Dion Phaneuf's career, as well.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Pointman

This way you can justify any pick, including blunders like Yakupov. Yakupov did look like a right decision or at least not a major mistake with information available at the draft day.

Great example because I actuallu disagree. Yakupov was the wrong decision with the available information. His warts were well known. And he was a bad fit for that organization.

It isn't about justifying any pick but I think applying a rule, particularly for the first round where you compare against the next three picks is fair. When you start suggesting a pick was a blunder based on a guy selected 10 picks later it just isn't valid

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

More laughing at the oilers collapse, less talk about the flames drafting.

Yeah back on topic here. The Ducks are starting to take on that 'team of destiny' vibe for me. From all the flukey goals they got from the Flames to the questionable officiating and comeback ability vs the Oilers, its starting to look like the hockey gods have chosen them this year.

That, and Getzlaf is playing next level. Taking McJesus to school. Hate the Ducks all you want, but Getzlaf is an unbelievable player and as clutch as anyone can be.


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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Great example because I actuallu disagree. Yakupov was the wrong decision with the available information. His warts were well known. And he was a bad fit for that organization.

It isn't about justifying any pick but I think applying a rule, particularly for the first round where you compare against the next three picks is fair. When you start suggesting a pick was a blunder based on a guy selected 10 picks later it just isn't valid

He was described as a bull in a china shop by scouting which isn't far off. Stronger and faster than a lot of the junior players with a good shot but was never really great at using his teammates or playing within structure. IMO he's never going to live up to his draft billing as he's simply not a very good overall player in the NHL.

[Mony]

Sekera is now out for the series.

[Johnny Makarov]

If the Ducks win the series tonight after being down 2-0 in the series, i think we should raise a 2nd Getzlaf banner at the dome! haha

[ThaBrink]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

If the Ducks win the series tonight after being down 2-0 in the series, i think we should raise a 2nd Getzlaf banner at the dome! haha

Too far man. Too far.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ThaBrink

Too far man. Too far.

Naw. Watching the Oilers lose is almost as good as a Flames win. And to lose in that epic fashion....

Say all you want about Lucic, but i still owe him some love for destroying the Canucks back in 2011.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think there are two main reasons his development stalled or even receded
- I think he was highly uncoachable
- his hip problems dramatically altered his overall agility

He's one of those rare players that had his best seasons very early in his career

I would add a third reason.

The loss of Roman Hamrlik as his mentor. Phaneuf and Hamrlik were an awesome pairing.

[jayswin]

I really thought Hamrlik was an underrated loss to our defensive core at the time, but many didn't see it that way. Like you I thought he really held Phaneuf's game together, allowing Dion to play a more reckless, offensive game, which he was elite at when allowed to do so.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

It wasn't a mistake if it was the right decision with the information available at the time.

Originally Posted by AC

If teams knew how good those players would be in the NHL then they wouldn't have been drafted as late as they were in the first or second round!

Every team picks who they think will be the best player, based on their information at the time.

And yet some of those picks turn out well, and some turn out badly. Some teams have proven over time to have very good drafting and development, some have proven to have poor drafting and development. Ultimately, the only way to assess draft records is with hindsight.

[Vinny01]

Hope the Ducks can avoid their own curse that has plagued this division winning squad. They have won game 5 of a 2-2 series and lost game 6 and 7 4 of those times with this year still to be determined. I believe the Kings and Preds they duplicated what they have done with the Oilers by winning 3 in a row after getting in a 2-0 hole.

I hope they close it out tonight. They do appear to have things really going in their favor at the momment

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hope the Ducks can avoid their own curse that has plagued this division winning squad. They have won game 5 of a 2-2 series and lost game 6 and 7 4 of those times with this year still to be determined. I believe the Kings and Preds they duplicated what they have done with the Oilers by winning 3 in a row after getting in a 2-0 hole.

I hope they close it out tonight. They do appear to have things really going in their favor at the momment

And that's each of the last four seasons, too:

2016 - Lost first two games at home to Nashville, won three straight then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

2015 - Won Game 5 vs. Chicago in a 2-2 split then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

2014 - Lost first two games at home to Los Angeles, won three straight then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

2013 - Won Game 5 vs. Detroit in a 2-2 split then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

If they lose tonight, they'll find a way to lose the series. I don't think they're a mentally strong team.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Every team picks who they think will be the best player, based on their information at the time.

No, there's at least one team out there that picks who plays Jenga with the owner's kid in the office lobby.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

And that's each of the last four seasons, too:

2016 - Lost first two games at home to Nashville, won three straight then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

2015 - Won Game 5 vs. Chicago in a 2-2 split then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

2014 - Lost first two games at home to Los Angeles, won three straight then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

2013 - Won Game 5 vs. Detroit in a 2-2 split then lost Game 6 on the road and Game 7 at home.

If they lose tonight, they'll find a way to lose the series. I don't think they're a mentally strong team.

So they're due then...