In 2003 I was writing a blog covering the Oilers for thescore.ca when my email became filled with fan letters from Flames fans who didn't think they were as boring as I did. You sought me out I responded like the blades of steel champion I am. Yes I am real. Yes I hate Calgary. Yes I love Edmonton.
I love your username because it's the definition of an oxymoron...kind of like tigershrimp. Shrimp are small and somewhat harmless (unless you are allergic), so having a name "tigershrimp" is such a good oxymoron because "tiger" and "shrimp" paint 2 totally different images in the mind of healthy individual.
Exactly. Well said. It's like he's admitting that he can't make a trade. People can knock sutter's phaneuf trade all they want... He knew it needed to be done and he got what he could as soon as he could... Addition through subtraction cause his effect on the team needed to end. That was just after a 9 game losing streak for the flames.
It was controversial at the time and who knows what other deals could have been had but THAT was a bold move... Now, years later, looking at phaneuf with the leafs it feels like it was a good deal just to remove him from the core of the organization. You can see the same thing from guys like hall, eberle, yakupov, Shultz, etc. in Edmonton but they don't have the guts to do what EVERYONE knows should be done.
The Phaneuf trade still looks awful, not because Phaneuf was a great player, but the return was a marginal return that did little to nothing to benefit the team. A bold move that isn't adventitious to the long term prospects of the team, in particular a team that prides itself on the rebuilding of the team isn't a good trade. It isn't as though the Phaneuf trade has propelled the Flames to new heights. They sucked with Phaneuf and they sucked without him as well.
I don't think that the Oilers should make massive trades right now, the season is already done and making a trade now would reek of desperation and knowing that the return would be awful.
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The one thing that I don't get is that the Flames have a very good 1a/1b goaltending duo and their blueline is one of the best in the league, including the best blueline duo in the NHL.
Most teams built like that don't usually fall off a cliff in the standings. Could the scoring dry up? Sure. Could they fall in the standings? Sure. Could they miss the playoffs? Yep.
But the Oilers have built their team pretty much the exact opposite way to build a successful NHL team.......ppor goaltending and a horrid blueline. Even if their scoring takes off they won't be able to stop other teams from scoring. The Flames should not be as bad as the Oilers (or worse) for the foreseeable future. I really don't care which way the stats are twisted. It's not like the Flames are just outscoring their problems.
Anyways, off topic, sorry. Just something that's bugged me all season.
Everything you say is 100% true and correct, and also why "analytics" are mostly irrelevant....because a dataset and a bunch of numbers cannot see what is actually occurring nor can they account for the variables of a very fluid game.
Im getting a lot of amusement from their shills though as it makes for good entertainment.
I wanted to expand on my point as well so I've included my previous post.
Sometimes you have to make trades that make you look like an idiot but you may have to do it anyways and their egos wont let them.
Exactly ...
the narcissism becomes the trap. You draft them, you promote them, and because you selected these players and had 4 years of telling everyone how great they are you can't find a match with their market value.
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the narcissism becomes the trap. You draft them, you promote them, and because you selected these players and had 4 years of telling everyone how great they are you can't find a match with their market value.
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"Justin Schultz is a future Norris defenseman"
Now he can't trade him because nobody would trade a future Norris winner even though we can all see he isn't one. Heck, it's been hinted by the Edmonton media that Schultz's ice time is mandated by MacT. That's exactly what you're talking about
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The Phaneuf trade still looks awful, not because Phaneuf was a great player, but the return was a marginal return that did little to nothing to benefit the team. A bold move that isn't adventitious to the long term prospects of the team, in particular a team that prides itself on the rebuilding of the team isn't a good trade. It isn't as though the Phaneuf trade has propelled the Flames to new heights. They sucked with Phaneuf and they sucked without him as well.
I don't think that the Oilers should make massive trades right now, the season is already done and making a trade now would reek of desperation and knowing that the return would be awful.
I think it looks a lot better today than it did the day it happened.
We have Matt Stajan who is a consummate professional and has helped this team by buying into Hartley's system.
And we dont have Phaneuf. Which is great.
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I think it looks a lot better today than it did the day it happened.
We have Matt Stajan who is a consummate professional and has helped this team by buying into Hartley's system.
And we dont have Phaneuf. Which is great.
Retro-actively evaluating a trade is never the right thing to do when talking about a players who's value or play declined since the trade. It's ok to say, hey GM X actually must have seen the potential in player Y he got in that trade making it look better today.
But when you are looking back on a trade and saying it's not as bad because Player X ended up not being as good as we thought, that means nothing because the deal at the time should have been reflected the players perceived value at that time. The Flames got fleeced because Phaneuf should have had a high perceived value, and the Flames failed to maximise it.
Now he can't trade him because nobody would trade a future Norris winner even though we can all see he isn't one. Heck, it's been hinted by the Edmonton media that Schultz's ice time is mandated by MacT. That's exactly what you're talking about
They can't trade Schultz because they hyped him up to an unrealistic level and most teams see him as a guy with no defensive IQ, over rated offensive skills a lackadaisical approach to the game. Oiler fans expect a kings ransom for him, Mac-T probably is asking for a first and a good young roster player. Most teams would be hard pressed to give up a third round pick for MAB V 2
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the narcissism becomes the trap. You draft them, you promote them, and because you selected these players and had 4 years of telling everyone how great they are you can't find a match with their market value.
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They also have no long-term vision. Look at my point about the Phaneuf trade, that was ugly at the time but is currently working out great!
If given the chance I wouldnt undo that trade.
But Sutter was and still is roasted alive for that one which is something that the Oiler management just cant handle. They've been treated as heroes for so long in Edmonton that they just cant have it any other way.
And you're right, they're stuck. They want what they perceive as 'fair value' for their assets and are stuck at that. So they dont make any moves or changes so that they're not getting fleeced on value, but as a result they're paralyzed and not moving the organization towards any kind of long-term goal.
Basically, they have no balls.
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MacT preaching accountability yet taking absolutely no accountability for the mess he has made. Nice work Craig! Leading by example.
Loved his I've only been here for 18 months thing.
He changed 14 players on his team and it got worse. The time for blaming Tambellini and Lowe for his screw ups are long over.
He needs to take the blame for not addressing the center situation, believing that Nikitin was worth that money, bringing Purcell and Poulliot on board and sticking with the goalies that they have.
Mac-T looked like and is a schmuck who went out and bought an MBA.
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This was posted in the Funny & Cool Picture thread by another member, but this kind of reminds me of what the press conference was like today and perhaps MacT righting the ship in Edmonton:
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At some point during MacTavish's multiple mentions of the duration of his time as GM, it should have been brought up that Treliving has only been on the job seven months. What's his excuse?
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God, those were brilliant. Remember the douchy photo you used for the blog?
Are those archived anywhere by the way?
Hahaha, I remember that photo. Oylaz forevah!
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They can't trade Schultz because they hyped him up to an unrealistic level and most teams see him as a guy with no defensive IQ, over rated offensive skills a lackadaisical approach to the game. Oiler fans expect a kings ransom for him, Mac-T probably is asking for a first and a good young roster player. Most teams would be hard pressed to give up a third round pick for MAB V 2
I wonder how many times Justin Schultz has wished he could A) Go back in time and just play for the Ducks who drafted him or B) Pick any other NHL franchise.
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Boy hearing that would INFURIATE me if I were an Oiler fan.
In fact, I felt a twinge of sympathy for the fans up there... then I thought of what they will be like in the summer when they have McEichel.... screw them.
I hope the Oilers are 30th every year.... they can build an entire team out of their own 1st overall picks and will still be a steaming pile of donkey poop.
Me too.
Thank god I'm a Calgary fan.
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At some point during MacTavish's multiple mentions of the duration of his time as GM, it should have been brought up that Treliving has only been on the job seven months. What's his excuse?
Well, to be fair, he did inherit a big mess. He's also not helping matters during the past year, either. MacT did say 3 things I agree with:
- their drafting and development has been abysmal
- firing Eakins right now doesn't accomplish anything (he didn't clue in the core players are the problem, but whatever)
