[Trade] Flames acquire Shane O'Brien and David Jones for Tanguay and Sarich

[Jacks]

This trade is a push, not a big win and not a big loss. The drama on here is amazing.

Imagine if the trade was the exact opposite. If we traded 2 big players in their 20's for 2 players in their 30's who both have NTC's? forget the fact that one of them doesn't even want to be here. This place would go nuts and the pitchforks would be out for Feaster.

What did people really think Tanguay would bring?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

No, but they are better players.

From a stats point of view, sure.

However, we are not a playoff team, nor will we be for a while. Stats become less important in that case as attitude becomes more important.

None of the players over Backlund's age matter at all in terms of when we are going to be good again. The veteran players need to have good work ethic and play the game in the right manner, in order to teach the kids properly. This will help the Hanowski's and Reinhart's and maybe even the Baertschi's develop into good NHLers by learning to play the game the right way. We need good leaders on this team so we can hopefully avoid the whole Edmonton issue.

Jones is a hard worker, and a good PKer who can chip some offense in. SOB is well an SOB, just like Sarich.

In terms of rebuilding, we now have a better player for that specifically, even though stats wise we are worse off.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Top line? He didn't even score at .5 ppg pace that is brutal for a 1st line w.

And yet he played with Plekanek and Gionta. Two smaller guys that needed Bourque to create the space for them to perform.

Put Cammalleri on that line and it fails..... not just a theory.... that was Cammalleri's line on the 27th place Canadians... Cammalleri sucked on that team and was just so happy to get back with Iginla rather than playing with two other undersized guys.

Now he is looking at the Flames and sees he will likely get put on a line with 2 other undersized guys. Why do you think he wants to get moved???


People put lines together with Baertschi and Hudler. Might work with Lindros in his prime or Messier at centre.

Why is Edmonton picking one pick back of the Flames????

Who creates space and havoc for Hall or Eberle or RNH or Gagner or Yakopov or Hemsky?

Every one of these players is better than Bourque..... A Bourque type player is needed to make these lines actually work.

Jones is a much more valuable asset than Hudler or Tanguay or Stempniak or Stajan to this version of the Flames. There is a reasonable chance that Jones could play on a line and with Backlund and Baertschi and make them better...... No chance of them being a successful line with Hudler.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Sometimes if we've fallen quiet in the WHL thread I'll wander over and read that section, find the junior board is one of the only tolerable parts, although it's not the most active.

Problem with that board is its the same 3-4 posters that make up all the activity - and only coverage of a couple teams.

Of course anything is better than the WHL forum 54 board. Yikes.

But yea, HF is widely known as a joke. Probably everywhere except on HF itself.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, let's see:

1) Keenan turns him into a valuable player by having him on the PK and playing defense. Instead of being a team player, he requests a trade.

2) This season.

Intellectual honesty, fool me twice, all that stuff - I think I have pretty damn good measure of Tanguay...

Vlad, you may be right with respect to Tanguay and his commitment level but I guess I just find that label you used a particularly ugly term to apply to a basically decent person. My criticism was not meant for you in particular, some here use it without giving it much thought, I myself almost equate the term to calling a black person a n****r. Its a poor adjective.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

From a stats point of view, sure.

However, we are not a playoff team, nor will we be for a while. Stats become less important in that case as attitude becomes more important.

None of the players over Backlund's age matter at all in terms of when we are going to be good again. The veteran players need to have good work ethic and play the game in the right manner, in order to teach the kids properly. This will help the Hanowski's and Reinhart's and maybe even the Baertschi's develop into good NHLers by learning to play the game the right way. We need good leaders on this team so we can hopefully avoid the whole Edmonton issue.

Edmonton stayed at the bottom for so long because they kept bringing in good "attitude" players rather then guys who were good at hockey.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Red John

Problem with that board is its the same 3-4 posters that make up all the activity - and only coverage of a couple teams.

Of course anything is better than the WHL forum 54 board. Yikes.

But yea, HF is widely known as a joke. Probably everywhere except on HF itself.

HF is the definition of quantity over quality. I tend to lurk over there whenever things get pretty slow over here (like the last few weeks). It seems to be primarily frequented by twelve year olds with tourettes.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

People..

Fact is, we were pushovers, even doormats last season, and that in itself was a glaring weakness. No grit, rarely "out muscling" opponents (Especially in the forward ranks). Everybody seemed to be molding their game after the super-soft Tanguay. And our tactics always came down to trying to skate around defenders, and when we played big teams like the Ducks or LA, we got crushed.

Funny, a few years ago, it was about perging this team of big dumb players, and looking for little skill guys... funny how circular the game is. Looking at the players itself, Tanguay is one of the top skilled guys in the NHL; in that sense, Tanguay is a far superior player. Problem is, the guy's a sulk... and as said, this team needs to get rid of the country club complacency we've got the past few years. Tanguay was No 1 on the hit list for that... most useless player on the team after his buddy was dealt. In that sense, I'm glad he's gone. I was really hoping he had value and we could get a good pick or prospect, but it was a long shot and I'm sure other teams in the league know about his sulk fest (Calgary first, then sucking in Tampa, now this again... strike 3). It may be Feaster's fault for giving that sulk a 5 year contract and NMC, but its Tanguay's fault that his trade value was zilch. So good riddance there.

Jones... well we all laughed at how much David Moss got, and well, this is probably worse. So in that regard, it sucks. But if Jones plays with grit and toughness each shift, even if we suck next year, it will at least be fun to watch. He'll probably end up being Jason Weimer 15 years later, but hell... worth a shot.

[Shin Pad]

Feaster didn't give up any draft picks in this deal, so I'm ok with it. I don't think this move is going to significantly help or hurt the team.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Jones... well we all laughed at how much David Moss got, and well, this is probably worse. So in that regard, it sucks. But if Jones plays with grit and toughness each shift, even if we suck next year, it will at least be fun to watch. He'll probably end up being Jason Weimer 15 years later, but hell... worth a shot.

Did people laugh at Moss' Coyotes contract, I honestly can't remember that thread or the reaction.

Moss is a fantastic player but the surprise (if any?) was probably because of the fact he can't stay healthy.

[BruceCody]

Hate Shane O'Brien

I hate O'Brian because he's a total A-hole

Chris Butler like this

[Walter Reed]

I'm not going to try and defend Feaster but if there was a better trade to be had for Tanguay and Sarich I'm sure he would have jumped at it. A trade only takes place between two willing parties. I'm guessing Jay couldn't find any other interested dance partners. The trade is what it is. The Flames didn't get much but didn't give up much either.

[debil]

Why can't we let them go for nothing? Why taking brutal 4MM 3Y contract ? How does this help to rebuild the team?

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by debil

Why can't we let them go for nothing? Why taking brutal 4MM 3Y contract ? How does this help to rebuild the team?

Last I checked the flames still needed to ice a team. You can't have 18 guys on ELCs playing for your NHL team.

This isn't EA NHL13, GMs can't snap their fingers and trade 2 aging vets for top 3 talent.

Sarich barely played for the flames this year, I look at this trade as Tanguay for jones and SOB and to me that's a great return.

[FAN]

Trade involving unwanted guys. Edge to Colorado as they will like receive better contributions from Tanguay and Sarich next year than we will from Jones and SOB.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Would Tanguay and/or Sarich pass through waivers? Doubtful. Maybe Sarich... but he will be a 7th defencemen and by all accounts, a good leader and mentor.

Would Jones and O'Brien pass through waivers? The way the Avs' fans were talking about them BEFORE the trade, they were looking at negative value deals or possibly a compliance buyout in Jones. It wasn't that Jones didn't get his time. They have Duchene, ROR and Stastny - all are a huge improvement on the existing centers on the Flames. Jones isn't going to get a better opportunity in Calgary - but I am hopeful he turns it around.

Jones and O'Brien are guys you will find for free in the FA bargain bin. We will see if Jones (and hopefully O'Brien) turn it around here. And for the people defending this trade with the excuse "We can't play all rookies" - that is not the point. Better vets would probably be available in the bargain bin, especially in a year with the cap going down and compliance buyouts happening. Lots of 3rd and 4th line guys will be available for sure to help do the heavy lifting AND provide good leadership..

Leadership - disregard everything I have said above - but the 'snickers' that I hear from the Avs' fans bug me - not because they think they 'won' the trade, or got the best player, etc., not even that they are all happy they got rid of their buyout candidates. What I hate seeing is: "Mr. Vegas". They are insinuating that these were part of the problem in the room on the Avs. I hope they are wrong, but they very well might be. However, they are die-hard fans of their own team and follow them religiously. Tough to say how much of that room got aired in the media honestly or not, but that room stank last season, and we either have a good part, or a bad part of it.

It isn't that the trade was that bad. I just get left with the feeling that I would have been less disappointed having Tanguay and Sarich claimed off of waivers for nothing, and the Flames looking to sign replacements in the FA market. Neither Jones nor O'Brien are guys I think that fit 'what a Calgary Flame should be' - especially with their focus on hockey IQ.

[Diemenz]

So fans on message boards know that these guys are "Mr. Vegas" but the entire flames organization missed that memo and flew into this trade blind?

Do you honestly........and I'm being serious here, feel that you have more inside knowledge of these players and know more about their abilities then an entire scouting staff?

[browna]

Good move by Feaster. Very good. I though Tanguay would be a buyout candidate. So, any return for Tanguay, who has done little significant when not on the same team as Iginla the last 7 years, is super.

Hate to lose Sarich though. Old school warrior who fought through injuries the past few years. SOB is the same mold but Sarich a better overall player and leader, by far Imo.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

So fans on message boards know that these guys are "Mr. Vegas" but the entire flames organization missed that memo and flew into this trade blind?

Do you honestly........and I'm being serious here, feel that you have more inside knowledge of these players and know more about their abilities then an entire scouting staff?

Hahaha, ........ wait until draft day.
There are about a million "experts" on the various hockey boards who believe they know more than the scouts because they've viewed of a few YouTube clips.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

So fans on message boards know that these guys are "Mr. Vegas" but the entire flames organization missed that memo and flew into this trade blind?

Do you honestly........and I'm being serious here, feel that you have more inside knowledge of these players and know more about their abilities then an entire scouting staff?

Just rumors, and we don't know the details of the Vegas trip. But I do remember at the time, reading around on the net, most people seemed to think it was SOB. Don't remember anything about Jones though. Oh well, Rhett was a bit party guy and he was all business on the ice.