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Kaine · 03-30-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

We are saying the same thing I think

The Flames last made the playoffs in 2009 (their 5th straight playoff appearance). The year or the year after they were missing the playoffs was 2011. Trade deadline 2011 was the best time to trade Iginla. He was 34.

Thought it was 2008 not 2009, my mistake. Still I would liked to have seen him moved in 2010 but again, hindsight.

Can't make the same mistake with Jbo since he's our last big asset. This team will be bad for at least a few years to come, by the time we acquire enough prospects to be a contending team after a rebuild, Jbo will likely be entering his twilight years (similar to Iggy again) so hopefully they are smart enough to get what they can from him while his value is as high as it is going to get.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-30-2013, 07:57 PM

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Most of the reason he gets torched is because the flames have no one to play with him against top guys. Last year he was with Butler, this year Gio was awful in that role and now he's playing with a rookie who's over matched in the role. )

We tell ourselves this. But he is the main culprit against Raffi Torres, Mike Fisher, Eric Nystrom etc. Was his D partner overmatched when he pinched against CBJ and didn't get back? Watch what he is doing when goals are scored and think about what else he could have been doing. You may be surprised.

Also last year Butler without Bouw's help actually did reasonably well.

dino7c · 03-30-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I just fear we fall into the Oilers trap of being last every year with no light at the end of the tunnel . The Oilers are getting close to another rebuild. Jaybo wouldn't be a UFA, I would extend him right now for slightly less money and move a bunch of other pieces.

If he says no to an extension, then I'd reconsider.

He is the most valuable vet on the team and its unlikely he is interested in a rebuild...they HAVE to trade him

GirlySports · 03-30-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaine

Thought it was 2008 not 2009, my mistake. Still I would liked to have seen him moved in 2010 but again, hindsight.

Can't make the same mistake with Jbo since he's our last big asset. This team will be bad for at least a few years to come, by the time we acquire enough prospects to be a contending team after a rebuild, Jbo will likely be entering his twilight years (similar to Iggy again) so hopefully they are smart enough to get what they can from him while his value is as high as it is going to get.

Only thing is that 29 is quite young. Even if he were 31 I'd trade him.
But at 29, even after a 3 year rebuild where Backlund, Brodie, Baertschi are the nucleus, it would still be nice to have a 32 year old Bouwmeester back there.

I don't think the return is good enough and with Feaster as GM, it definitely won't be good enough so keep him. make him part of the rebuild too.

Zulu29 · 03-30-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Only thing is that 29 is quite young. Even if he were 31 I'd trade him.
But at 29, even after a 3 year rebuild where Backlund, Brodie, Baertschi are the nucleus, it would still be nice to have a 32 year old Bouwmeester back there.

I don't think the return is good enough and with Feaster as GM, it definitely won't be good enough so keep him. make him part of the rebuild too.

For what? You can't teach speed and durability. Trade him while his value is high.

Badger Bob · 03-30-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

make him part of the rebuild too.

This is absurd. Bouwmeester has already shown that he's not somebody who you can build around. He's never going to be like Denis Potvin, Scott Stevens, Al MacInnis, Niklas Lidstrom, etc.

In another post, you referred to him as "an anchor." This can't be serious. With some improved play, this is exactly the reason to try and sell high. That cap space is too valuable to keep tripping over this same log. The Flames are never going to win with this guy. Maybe with their culture, history and top players, Detroit could better utilize his skills.

If you're so concerned with 30 minutes - that $6.8MM (or whatever he makes) would save so much, that a minutes eater could be had for 1/2 that price. The Flames are going to suck for another season or 2, so it really doesn't matter how the minutes get divided up.

The best thing is to commit to doing a rebuild properly. Meanwhile, you guys need to quit obsessing over what Edmonton does or doesn't do. The Flames & Oilers haven't had any real competition since the early 90's (probably before a lot of you were even old enough to remember). So much hot air getting blown in this thread.

PeteLFan · 03-30-2013, 08:43 PM

Do you want to build the young core around a career loser like jay?

Plus the flames might be a lot of things but penny pinching they aren't. Your comments are absurd and defending bouwmeester. The guy is supposed t o be a #1 d man he should be helping his partners look good not the other way.

You get rid of him with the best return and I would absolutely eat 1 year cap hit to get a better return.

GirlySports · 03-30-2013, 08:56 PM

Bouw might not be THE GUY so trading him would be fine. I'm not dead set against it. I'm just thinking we need to hold on to something. And I'd rather hold on to Bouw than Gio. That's just my preference. You all say we can get more for Bouw, I'm not so sure. Feaster will get fleeced again. If Bouw gets the same return as Iginla, then what's the point? It would be better to keep him.

I don't like the 'we're going to lose anyways so who cares who's playing 30 minutes' argument. Even when we're losing and rebuilding we need to have some stability and learning.

Someone has to play those minutes. Who do you want as the Flames #1 D going forward? Bouw or Gio? If you prefer to have players learn with Gio rather than Bouw than that's fine, I can't argue that.

Enoch Root · 03-30-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Bouw might not be THE GUY so trading him would be fine. I'm not dead set against it. I'm just thinking we need to hold on to something. And I'd rather hold on to Bouw and Gio. That's just my preference. You all say we can get more for Bouw, I'm not so sure. Feaster will get fleeced again.

I don't like the 'we're going to lose anyways so who cares who's playing 30 minutes' argument. Even when we're losing and rebuilding we need to have some stability and player learning.

Someone has to play those minutes. Who do you want as the Flames #1 D going forward? Bouw or Gio? If you prefer to have players learn with Gio rather than Bouw than that's fine, I can't argue that.

Presonally, I'd rather keep Gio.

But I agree, you have to keep one of them - at least for a while

PeteLFan · 03-30-2013, 09:07 PM

With jordano at least you know he's a guy that gives it his all and make mistakes trying.

drPepper1 · 03-30-2013, 09:12 PM

Jbo for captain!

CSharp · 03-30-2013, 09:18 PM

I'd like to see Jbo traded to a bubble playoff team (like 7th or 8th) and get huge returns back. I'd also like to see if that team actually make it into the playoffs this year. If that team with Jbo on there doesn't make it, then you know for real that the Flames was jinxed by him all along.

Enoch Root · 03-30-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

I'd like to see Jbo traded to a bubble playoff team (like 7th or 8th) and get huge returns back. I'd also like to see if that team actually make it into the playoffs this year. If that team with Jbo on there doesn't make it, then you know for real that the Flames was jinxed by him all along.

three words:

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browna · 03-30-2013, 09:26 PM

Ideal world keep Bouwmeester, and Gio. Though somewhere that defense needs a guy that plays with more grit.

He's on the block because he's the best asset the Flames have that other teams will covet for this year and next, and if Iginla goes, the build is on past next year anyways.

Full credit to him for embracing Hartley's system and showing he is still that offensive player that teams were lining up for his services July 1 2009 and boosting his value up.

But, time to maximize his return and this is the year to do it given all the different league circumstances this year.

ramizle · 03-30-2013, 09:42 PM

Would you guys want to keep Jbo if he signs a 5.670 AAV for 5 years?

GirlySports · 03-30-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

I'd like to see Jbo traded to a bubble playoff team (like 7th or 8th) and get huge returns back. I'd also like to see if that team actually make it into the playoffs this year. If that team with Jbo on there doesn't make it, then you know for real that the Flames was jinxed by him all along.

Rangers? Islanders? 7th and 14th in the East is seperated by 4 points. Can we fleece someone delusional?

Enoch Root · 03-30-2013, 09:45 PM

Rangers don't have a 1st

Hard to believe, but the Rangers' 1st might turn out more valuable than the BJ's own pick

drPepper1 · 03-30-2013, 09:52 PM

“@imseanavery: Fire this CLOWN, his players hate him and wont play for his BS.... @imseanavery is #winning”

Sean Avery trolling Torts! Rangers regret moving their first?

gunnner · 03-30-2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

With jordano at least you know he's a guy that gives it his all and make mistakes trying.

To me its about changing the culture of the team as well as getting max return. Jbo the return will be larger. I would rather have the young guys looking up to Gio. Its a no brainer to me to trade Jbo now, 12 months ago you would have been dreaming to think you could even trade that contract.

kyuss275 · 03-30-2013, 10:04 PM

Don't see JBO wanting to re-sign with Calgary. This is a guy that has never played an NHL playoff game and if he stays will not see one in Calgary for 3-5 years.

JBO and Cammi are at the top of my list of the flames veterans that will more than likely want to move. There really is nothing for the flames to offer them in terms of staying. Cammi seems like he wants to win, and JBO more than likely wants to play in the playoffs. Neither of those things are going to happen in Calgary for a while. These guys will get near top line minutes no matter what team they play on.

For now i hope that Glencross and Gio would want to stay. They might give the flames a couple of years and if things start to look up they might want to stay past that. If things don't look up they will want to leave. Hudler will probably want to stay because for the first time he will get top line minutes and be counted on.

There is a high probability that the veterans that the flames will need over the next 3-4 years will come from UFA market. Those are the players that will want ice time that won't be availble on good teams.