[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[bluloc]

The only real important question is do I trade for him in my NHL 13 season or wait.......hmmmmm.

[DFO]

So in addition to maybe overpaying for ROR, are the Flames really OK bringing in a potential cancer into the room. He's really come off as a ###### in the build up to this - seemingly only interested in himself.

[Shin Pad]

Well, giving up a 1st round pick that could end up being top 5, isn't good IMO. The thing is, would that top 5 pick be equal to or better than ROR?

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by DFO

So in addition to maybe overpaying for ROR, are the Flames really OK bringing in a potential cancer into the room. He's really come off as a ###### in the build up to this - seemingly only interested in himself.

Definitely overpaying.

[jg13]

IF ROR was available in this years draft where would you have him ranked?

Top 3 without a doubt so people complaining we potentially gave up a top 5 pick for this offer.. terrible argument.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

This "win now" mentality sure is pervasive.

In a year the Flames were looking like picking high in a very strong draft, this tells you all you need to know about how important the Flames think the playoffs are.

Maybe more worrisome than possibly giving up a high pick is the likelihood that this means no fire sale at the trade deadline, and no critical new assets then either. They could very well end up holding on to all their tradeable commodities, trying hard for the playoffs, missing by a few spots, and giving up a top ten pick in a solid draft.

In fact, that seems the most likely outcome if this goes through.

Without O'Reilly, the Flames are likely to finish with a pick of 10th-16th this year. The chances of getting a prospect of his calibre at that stage are slim to none.

Remember, the guy is only 22. I would take a young player who has shown he can play in the NHL over a pick any day.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by DFO

So in addition to maybe overpaying for ROR, are the Flames really OK bringing in a potential cancer into the room. He's really come off as a ###### in the build up to this - seemingly only interested in himself.

What a load of crap.

The guy signed with us. He wants to be here.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by DFO

So in addition to maybe overpaying for ROR, are the Flames really OK bringing in a potential cancer into the room. He's really come off as a ###### in the build up to this - seemingly only interested in himself.

Dear lord, these days everything is a "cancer to the room". Talk about an overused term.

That aside, how do you know? Do tell, how is O'Reilly in the room? I don't know, but you sure seem to.

[pylon]

107 points, in 236 career games.

What am I missing here?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by DFO

So in addition to maybe overpaying for ROR, are the Flames really OK bringing in a potential cancer into the room. He's really come off as a ###### in the build up to this - seemingly only interested in himself.

Sakic was forced to sign an offer sheet because of the Av's as well. Was he a cancer?

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by Shin Pad

Well, giving up a 1st round pick that could end up being top 5, isn't good IMO. The thing is, would that top 5 pick be equal to or better than ROR?

I would be absolutely shocked if that pick turns out to be top 5 with ROR. He's a good player. I don't think he's worth 5M (right now) but he's a good player and will help

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Maybe I am missing something, but the way it would work is like this:

1) The Flames have to offer him 6.5 million dollars to retain his services
2) O`Reilly can either sign for 6.5 million or hold out
3) If he holds out the Flames can trade him to a team willing to sign him for 6.5 million dollars a year
4) The Flames need to find a team willing to trade assets for a 6.5 million dollar O`Reilly

As for why O`Reilly would not sign for less than 6.5 million dollars there are a number of reasons:

1) He is guaranteed to make 6.5 million dollars a year on one year contracts for the next two years after this contract expires or he becomes a UFA able to sign anywhere;
2) One would assume that whatever offer lower than 6.5 million that the Flames table would likely be available if he went UFA. There is very low risk for him to enter UFA;
3) If he becomes a UFA he may sign for higher than what the Flames offered him prior to becoming a UFA

Why would he sign for less than he is guaranteed to get as a QO unless he is just a good guy?

Actually, this is why I think Colorado won't match and Feaster's offer is brilliant:

1) The Avs and O'Reilly have already seriously deteriorated their relationship.
2) O'Reilly has already demonstrated to them that he will hold out
3) If they match, they have to believe that there is a huge risk that they go through this again in 100 games

However, if he becomes a Flame, I can see them sitting down and getting a long term deal done.

[bluejays]

I'm for giving up a 1st and 3rd, but not in a deep year like this one. Secondly, the guy hasn't proven anything to warrent that high salary. Signing him sets a bad precedent for an already inflated ego player. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten much slack for basically doing the same thing Subban did. As well, if the Flames thought he was really such a good player, why wouldn't they sign him to a longer contract? Given we'd be losing a potential star with a top 5 pick this year, how could they justify losing a top 5 pick for a rental? Stupid offer given these circumstances.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

I have no issues giving up a 1st and a 3rd for him. What really worries me is the high QO offer we'll need to give him once this contract expires. True - we don't HAVE to qualify him...but then he'd be an UFA and we lose him in just 1.5 years (as well as our draft picks).

Why would he sign for a much more reasonable amount (around $4-$5M per year) just because he likes it here? He's already proven that he's all about the money and is willing to hold out to get as much as possible. In 1.5 years, he holds all the power as he knows he can either accept the QO at a ridiculous amount or become a UFA and cash in (just not to the degree of +$6.5M) since he'll be one of the most desirable free agents on the market.

As for if he refuses to sign, you'll have to trade him before next year's trade deadline if you want any sort of return. No one will give up much to get his rights and overpay him...especially if they know Calgary won't match.

The only way this works out is if he performs well enough that he's worth close to $6.5M in 2 years time so we can simply qualify him (or work out a long-term deal on similar terms that he'd be willing to accept).

The $6.5 million is also a poison pill so the Av's wont match. If anybody has read anything about this situation its pretty clear he did not want to go back after the Av's cut off comunication.

He will be a RFA in 2 years. Don't be surprised if the flames already have got a deal in place for July 1st extension. My guess he gets a $5 million a year deal for 4-5.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Definitely overpaying.

And yet Av's are asking way more if you want to trade with them

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

What a load of crap.

The guy signed with us. He wants to be here.

I am not saying he is a cancer but what does him signing here and/or wanting to be here have to do with him being a cancer? He can want to be here and still be a cancer.

Also, if the deal isn't so bad and re-signing him will be so easy while giving up nothing as some people seem to be saying then we don't have to worry because it will be an easy match for Colorado.

The reason offer sheets are so bad is that you have to end up overpayment for good (not great) talent. a 5 million cap hit is a huge amount for a 2nd line center.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by pylon

107 points, in 236 career games.

What am I missing here?

A more specific question?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by pylon

107 points, in 236 career games.

What am I missing here?

He came into the league as an 18 year old and played amazingly defensively. Last year at the age of 20, to start the season, he led his team in points. This year at the age of 20 Baertschi has 0. For a bit of an unfair comparison.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What you are saying doesn't make sense.

Again. ROR KNOWS HE WON'T GET $6.5M FROM ANYONE RIGHT NOW.

So if he were to hold out in 2 years, it will NOT be because he wants $6.5M (again, unless he rips it up next season). That's ridiculous. He won't go to UFA and get a $6.5M if he maintains his current play.

If he were to hold out, it's because he wants to go to a new team, not a team that will pay him $6.5M. He's not stupid. He's not going to get $6.5M from this new team. He'd likely get a long term deal at around $5M. The Flames can trade him to a team that will be able to sign him, getting a big return.

The Flames have so many more options than what you've listed.

So from his POV, his best choice - if the Flames don't give him a QO - would be to go to UFA anyways.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

I am not saying he is a cancer but what does him signing here and/or wanting to be here have to do with him being a cancer? He can want to be here and still be a cancer.

The suggestion that he's a cancer was clearly based off the fact he held out.