Not every post in this thread is racist. Here is one that is.. It's a post that you thanked.
One of my friends who is native put this on his facebook wall today:
"Tomorrow I am joining the "idle no more" movement. At 4am my alarm clock will ring and I will be idle no more. I will go to work to support my family and maybe expand my business, instead of demanding things given to me. What a weird concept..."
It doesn't matter if the person who wrote that is native or not. It's clearly
racist.
"Let's start a coddle no more movement. I am tired of supporting these bums. They lived off the land before we were here. Let them go back to that. No more money"
There's a grocery list of posts like this throughout this thread that would take more time than i have to list them all.
There have also been a couple of posts asking you to explained the mov't and what it stands for, can you?
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Captain James P. DeCOSTE, CD, 18 Sep 1993
I don't see how saying that going to work and supporting your family is better then standing around protesting without a purpose is considered racism.
Maybe the "bums" comment was a little more spiteful but not agreeing with reperation measures is hardly racist. It also makes complete sense to question how these protesters are getting so much time off of work to do this...
Not every post in this thread is racist. Here is one that is.. It's a post that you thanked.
[COLOR=black]One of my friends who is native put this on his facebook wall today:
"Tomorrow I am joining the "idle no more" movement. At 4am my alarm clock will ring and I will be idle no more. I will go to work to support my family and maybe expand my business, instead of demanding things given to me. What a weird concept..." [/FONT=Verdana]
It doesn't matter if the person who wrote that is native or not. It's clearly racist.
Looks like a capitalist opinion to me and why I thanked it.
How is it racist?
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Your item b) cuts both ways. My husband (part native) faces white slurs from natives all the time. Examples: Traitor, apple, racist, etc.
Sometimes they speak in their own tongue, not realizing my "whitey" husband can understand them.
Yes. That is racist and its unfortunate and I hate hearing that kind of crap from either side. I'm not arguing that racism goes both ways.
But we do forget that there is an unspoken privilege to being white in our society. Of being from the dominant group. Especially if you're male and come from wealth and privilege. That's all im saying.
Yes. That is racist and its unfortunate and I hate hearing that kind of crap from either side. I'm not arguing that racism goes both ways.
But we do forget that there is an unspoken privilege to being white in our society. Of being from the dominant group. Especially if you're male and come from wealth and privilege. That's all im saying.
So as a white immigrant, from a poor background, what is my ability to comment?
You keep skirting the requests to dicuss the issues.
What is Idle No More's mission statement? What is the movenment about?
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Captain James P. DeCOSTE, CD, 18 Sep 1993
Yes. That is racist and its unfortunate and I hate hearing that kind of crap from either side. I'm not arguing that racism goes both ways.
But we do forget that there is an unspoken privilege to being white in our society. Of being from the dominant group. Especially if you're male and come from wealth and privilege. That's all im saying.
I will be sure to mention that at my next performance review.
Here I am like a sucker working hard for the money I make when it should all just be handed to me because I am white and my dad had a job.
#### right off.
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But we do forget that there is an unspoken privilege to being white in our society. Of being from the dominant group. Especially if you're male and come from wealth and privilege. That's all im saying.
I think it's attidudes like this one that actually keep racism alive. What you're saying is bull****.
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"Tomorrow I am joining the "idle no more" movement. At 4am my alarm clock will ring and I will be idle no more. I will go to work to support my family and maybe expand my business, instead of demanding things given to me. What a weird concept..."
But we do forget that there is an unspoken privilege to being white in our society. Of being from the dominant group. Especially if you're male and come from wealth and privilege. That's all im saying.
Canada has come an increasing destination of choice for visible minorities. There are plenty of stories of new immigrants coming over with next to nothing and doing very well for themselves in Canada.
How is it that they succeed?
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No, not necessarily. It does if you paint every chief with the same corrupt brush. There are many bands with balanced books and honest leadership. FN are not the only people out there who have corruption in their midst either.
Accountability is extremely important and must be addressed, nobody is arguing that. That shouldn't take away focus from other issues that need attention now.
I don't think everyone is painting every chief with the same brush. There are a few bands such as the aforementioned Osoyoos Band that have done an extremely good job in developing themselves (their NK'MIP Canyon Desert Course is a great track, their resort is really nice and their vineyards produce some awesome wine) but this isn't the norm. A lot of these reserves are in absolutely deplorable condition and it's really very sad to see Canadians living in what can only be described as third world conditions.
While on the surface these other issues you speak of seem to be of greater importance however without appropriate standards of accountability in place the money put forth to combat them will continue to get diverted to "other areas" and the problems will persist.
The one thing that I really fail to grasp is that aboriginals aren't blind to the issues (a lot of native humor revolves around these corrupt band leaders) yet there doesn't seem to be a push to do anything about it. Instead of throwing these corrupt people in jail (see Enron Scandal, Madoff, Rajaratnam, etc) they make them the face of their movement (see Chieft Spence). It's really quite mind boggling.
I honestly don't think anyone should care which race anyone else in this discussion is.
The underlying point is that we have groups of people (First Nation members) living in areas of this country that are regularly given a collection of various benefits. These benefits are paid for by other groups people (non-First Nation members) in this country through many different means of taxation. None of these methods of taxation apply to the groups of First Nations members that receive the benefits, and these groups are now wondering why they don't receive even more benefits.
The groups of non-First Nation members have indicated that they are open to having this discussion, but would first like to know why the current collection of benefits are not enough, and what types of added benefits the groups of First Nation members would like to receive.
I honestly don't understand what something like race has to do with this at all.
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I honestly don't think anyone should care which race anyone else in this discussion is, or where they come from.
The underlying point is that we have a groups of people (First Nation members) living in areas of this country that are regularly given a collection of various benefits. These benefits are paid for by other groups people (non-First Nation members) in this country through many different means of taxation. None of these methods of taxation apply to the groups of First Nations members that receive the benefits, and these groups are now wondering why they don't receive even more benefits.
The groups of non-First Nation members have indicated that they are open to having this discussion, but would first like to know why the current collection of benefits are not enough, and what types of added benefits the groups of First Nation members would like to receive.
I honestly don't understand what something like race has to do with this at all.
I'm not First Nations but I do know that I benefit from this land and its resources, just like everyone else because Treaties were signed. Those Treaty rights were given to First Nations in return for the land "as long as the sun shines and the rivers flow". They will not go away just like we won't stop benefiting from living on this land and exploiting it's resources.
Those treaty benefits are a pittance in return for the crap they've gone through as a people over the centuries. I know which side I'd rather have.
I honestly don't think anyone should care which race anyone else in this discussion is.
The underlying point is that we have groups of people (First Nation members) living in areas of this country that are regularly given a collection of various benefits. These benefits are paid for by other groups people (non-First Nation members) in this country through many different means of taxation. None of these methods of taxation apply to the groups of First Nations members that receive the benefits, and these groups are now wondering why they don't receive even more benefits.
The groups of non-First Nation members have indicated that they are open to having this discussion, but would first like to know why the current collection of benefits are not enough, and what types of added benefits the groups of First Nation members would like to receive.
I honestly don't understand what something like race has to do with this at all.
It becomes about race when said group uses it as a crux to avoid talking about the specific issues and failing to engage in meaningful debate about such a topic.
Not every post in this thread is racist. Here is one that is.. It's a post that you thanked.
One of my friends who is native put this on his facebook wall today:
"Tomorrow I am joining the "idle no more" movement. At 4am my alarm clock will ring and I will be idle no more. I will go to work to support my family and maybe expand my business, instead of demanding things given to me. What a weird concept..."
It doesn't matter if the person who wrote that is native or not. It's clearly
racist.
"Let's start a coddle no more movement. I am tired of supporting these bums. They lived off the land before we were here. Let them go back to that. No more money"
There's a grocery list of posts like this throughout this thread that would take more time than i have to list them all.
How is that first statement racist? I expect you won't answer, you've already ducked this question and I assume it's because your aim is nothing more than agitation. You come in here with ridiculous accusations, you promise a response (that never comes), you fail to respond to pointed questions and critiques, and you generally demonstrate a lack of desire to debate issues.
I wouldn't be so bothered by this if you didn't decide to tar people with the "racist" brush from the start, but when you play that card you're asking to get raked over the coals if you don't back it up. So get to backing it up.
I'm not First Nations but I do know that I benefit from this land and its resources, just like everyone else because Treaties were signed.
No, not "because" they were signed. Benefits from the land and resources would have still been reaped with or without Treaties.
There are many areas that don't fall under Treaties and they are equally successful.
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Those Treaty rights were given to First Nations in return for the land "as long as the sun shines and the rivers flow". They will not go away just like we won't stop benefiting from living on this land and exploiting it's resources.
Those treaty benefits are a pittance in return for the crap they've gone through as a people over the centuries. I know which side I'd rather have.
The Treaties may or may not go away, but I would argue things like the Indian Act and other race-based policies will and likely should.
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