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[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

I also didn't ask you to post anything. In fact, nothing would be of more value.

Comments like this make you the biggest hypocrite of them all. Was that drive-by at the end really necessary?

I'm also concerned that this post may be too short for your liking.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Muta

Comments like this make you the biggest hypocrite of them all. Was that drive-by at the end really necessary?

I'm also concerned that this post may be too short for your liking.

If his idea of adding something is to try to tell me what I think, despite numerous posts clearly to the contrary saying nothing would be better. I'm fine with discussing the actual issues.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

If his idea of adding something is to try to tell me what I think, despite numerous posts clearly to the contrary saying nothing would be better. I'm fine with discussing the actual issues.

Fine. Think that. But you really need to lay off the drive-by's already.

[To Be Quite Honest]

LOL Valo I after our PM's and mutual understanding I am really enjoying your posts. They do make me laugh but you do wield a sharp word knife when it isn't needed.

Damn Heatly scored...

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I suppose the irony that these protestors are tweeting away about the evils of capitalism on cell phones that were made by under paid sweat shop workers in SE Asia escapes them.

It's obvious the whole topic has escaped you if that's all you can post.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

If his idea of adding something is to try to tell me what I think, despite numerous posts clearly to the contrary saying nothing would be better. I'm fine with discussing the actual issues.

All I'm saying is you're making it sounds like everyone wants the end to oil production. That's what your argument is coming across as. I think many other would think the same as I.

You are of the opinion, and it has become pretty clear by your numerous posts, that you consider most, if not all of the 'occupiers' to be nutbars, whack jobs, losers, communists, and anything else you can lump together to make a motley crue of misfits and weirdos. Environmentalists against oil? You'll lump them in there too, and focus on the fringe arguments that don't accurately define the entire group protesting and those who support them.

In your previous posts and by quoting my earlier post, you all but confirmed that everyone is falling for the "end oil production" argument and I think that's just not true. You are grouping everyone into this protest as lemmings, and thus, being blind-sided by false and extremist arguments. That is just not true. The media sure loves it, but 58% of people aren't buying it.

And as for the 99% figure? For one, that number is just not true as the polls show - it's 58% support, 33% don't, and the rest don't have an opinion on it at all. You have yet to refute the majority support for the protest, which many of us who read your posts are patiently waiting for. If 58% of Canadian society supports the protests, do we all want an end to big oil? No.

And you, who are clearly in the 33%, need to lay off the "holier-than-thou" attitude because you can't find clarity of message in these protests. Your obvious hostility towards those who have every right to protest the broken pieces of our global society is as clear as water. These protests are a conservatives' wet dream - and your loving every minute of it because even at the slightest sign of dissention or cracks among the Occupiers ranks, you will jump in the usual predatory fashion that you do and make lame comments about how this whole thing is just wrong and misguided.

But I guess it's not a party if it's not a Tea Party, right?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Muta

Fine. Think that. But you really need to lay off the drive-by's already.

Drive-by's are responded to in kind

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

It's obvious the whole topic has escaped you if that's all you can post.

Ok then how about

'the premise that the gap between rich and poor is increasing, or the assertion that 1% of the population own 99% of the wealth is absurd in a fiat currancy system and in reality this is the most priviledged and wealthy generation with less seperating the rich and poor that the world has ever seen in real terms'

Discuss

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

Drive-by's are responded to in kind

Yeah, real mature take there. Of course this would be your response. I was hoping you'd be mature enough to acknowledge what you've been called out on, and promise you'd take a mature step to eliminate that kind of trash from your posts.... but no. You can't do that.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

All I'm saying is you're making it sounds like everyone wants the end to oil production. That's what your argument is coming across as. I think many other would think the same as I.

You are of the opinion, and it has become pretty clear by your numerous posts, that you consider most, if not all of the 'occupiers' to be nutbars, whack jobs, losers, communists, and anything else you can lump together to make a motley crue of misfits and weirdos. Environmentalists against oil? You'll lump them in there too, and focus on the fringe arguments that don't accurately define the entire group protesting and those who support them.

In your previous posts and by quoting my earlier post, you all but confirmed that everyone is falling for the "end oil production" argument and I think that's just not true. You are grouping everyone into this protest as lemmings, and thus, being blind-sided by false and extremist arguments. That is just not true. The media sure loves it, but 58% of people aren't buying it.

And as for the 99% figure? For one, that number is just not true as the polls show - it's 58% support, 33% don't, and the rest don't have an opinion on it at all. You have yet to refute the majority support for the protest, which many of us who read your posts are patiently waiting for. If 58% of Canadian society supports the protests, do we all want an end to big oil? No.

And you, who are clearly in the 33%, need to lay off the "holier-than-thou" attitude because you can't find clarity of message in these protests. Your obvious hostility towards those who have every right to protest the broken pieces of our global society is as clear as water. These protests are a conservatives' wet dream - and your loving every minute of it because even at the slightest sign of dissention or cracks among the Occupiers ranks, you will jump in the usual predatory fashion that you do and make lame comments about how this whole thing is just wrong and misguided.

But I guess it's not a party if it's not a Tea Party, right?

Seriously dude? I've said repeatedly that good points, points I agree with, are being lost because the fringe element has co-opted the movement. I have at no time said that I think the movement is about these fringe parties, or that everyone who supports it shares their thoughts. They wouldn't really be fringe if that was the case would they?

It's pretty hilarious that you think I'm a conservative actually. My anger towards this movement, actually not the movement but what it has become, is that it's doing damage to the ability for actual progress to be made on important issues. Economic reform needs to happen. Tax reform needs to happen. Environmental reform needs to happen. The way this movement has turned has made it incredibly easy for the actual needed reforms to be lost. The lack of structure and formed ideas has allowed the idiot fringe to take the lead. It's become an extremist movement, and that type of movement simply drives wedges into things and prevents any type of progress.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yeah, real mature take there. Of course this would be your response. I was hoping you'd be mature enough to acknowledge what you've been called out on, and promise you'd take a mature step to eliminate that kind of trash from your posts.... but no. You can't do that.

Note my post above. If people want to actually discuss the issues I'm pleased to do so.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Ok then how about

'the premise that the gap between rich and poor is increasing, or the assertion that 1% of the population own 99% of the wealth is absurd in a fiat currancy system and in reality this is the most priviledged and wealthy generation with less seperating the rich and poor that the world has ever seen in real terms'

Discuss

Discuss what? you put something in quotes. Who said the quote? What about the quote do you wish to discuss?

the premise that the gap between rich and poor is increasing?

or the assertion that 1% of the population own 99% of the wealth?

this is the most priviledged and wealthy generation with less seperating the rich and poor that the world has ever seen in real terms?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Discuss what? you put something in quotes. Who said the quote? What about the quote do you wish to discuss?

the premise that the gap between rich and poor is increasing?

or the assertion that 1% of the population own 99% of the wealth?

this is the most priviledged and wealthy generation with less seperating the rich and poor that the world has ever seen in real terms?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Discuss what? you put something in quotes. Who said the quote? What about the quote do you wish to discuss?

the premise that the gap between rich and poor is increasing?

or the assertion that 1% of the population own 99% of the wealth?

this is the most priviledged and wealthy generation with less seperating the rich and poor that the world has ever seen in real terms?

All of it, I utterly reject all of the assertions that keep getting thrown around about how much worse it is today, I have an immeasurably better life than either my parents or grand parents.
I grew up without a TV or a car, and phone calls cost 10p a minute, 40 odd years later I live in a world where we all throw working TVs and computors and cell phones away because they arn't cool anymore, the homeless have cell phones for gods sake, I have a TV on my wall which I have no doubt is almost identical to Bill Gates's TV, the same applies to my phone, and computor.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

Note my post above. If people want to actually discuss the issues I'm pleased to do so.

So what? That's not the issue whatsoever. I'm calling you out (and others have too) on the relentless drive-by's you constantly do for some reason, and you can't even address the issue when called out on it. You abrasively focus on other people's arguments themselves than the actual message, and that seems to be the crux about what you're always pissed off about.

Stop doing drive-by's. Can you just admit you'll stop doing it? Just, be a man, admit you do it, and you'll tone it down?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

All of it, I utterly reject all of the assertions that keep getting thrown around about how much worse it is today, I have an immeasurably better life than either my parents or grand parents.
I grew up without a TV or a car, and phone calls cost 10p a minute, 40 odd years later I live in a world where we all throw working TVs and computors and cell phones away because they arn't cool anymore.

I don't think the point is that we have it worse than we did a few decades ago, it's that increasingly the middle class is being pushed into the lower class. Maybe being lower class isn't that bad anymore, but it doesn't really seem fair that the upper class becomes absurdly wealthy at the expense of pushing everyone else to the bottom.

And honestly, if that path continues the people at the bottom will be increasingly less able to be upwardly mobile. I don't see it falling to the state of a third world country anytime soon, but that's the end result if reforms aren't made.

The key for me is that these reforms need to be sensical, they need to operate in reality.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Muta

So what? That's not the issue whatsoever. I'm calling you out (and others have too) on the relentless drive-by's you constantly do for some reason, and you can't even address the issue when called out on it. You abrasively focus on other people's arguments themselves than the actual message, and that seems to be the crux about what you're always pissed off about.

Stop doing drive-by's. Can you just admit you'll stop doing it? Just, be a man, admit you do it, and you'll tone it down?

Relentless drive-by's? C'mon, that's some hyperbole right there. But yes, I'm guilty of it at times and I'll try to avoid it.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Relentless drive-by's? C'mon, that's some hyperbole right there. But yes, I'm guilty of it at times and I'll try to avoid it.

Shut your face, square!!!

I don't think valo is that bad. I think we all fall guilty to letting some 'drive by's' loose now and then. This thread definitely gets some heated discussion from both sides.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

Relentless drive-by's? C'mon, that's some hyperbole right there. But yes, I'm guilty of it at times and I'll try to avoid it.

Thank you, I do appreciate that.