2011 NCAA football thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by JayP

I don't care to go into this tired debate again.

But back to your original point - your response to last night's craziness was "the BCS is a joke". Except under anything, but a plus one last night wouldn't have been nearly as wild as all that was lost was playoff seeding. Playoffs don't magically make everything better.

Then dont debate it...but please answer the question. Who is the 2nd best team in the country and how do you know that? Because that's what the BCS is all about right....no settling it head to head, its a way better idea to have a bunch of suits sitting around tables countywide deciding that.

Its such a preposterous argument.

And maybe playoffs dont magically make evrything better, though im not sure anyone has claimed that, but i will tell you one thing it does do...allows the players to decide.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by valo403

No it doesn't. I live in a basketball hotbed and even in a year without the NBA people aren't talking about NCAA basketball. But there were 15+ guys staring at a tv in a decidedly not sports bar last night to catch the last minutes of a game that not a single person had a real rooting interest in. The very much a sports bar place across the street was jammed with people watching college football. It has nothing to do with people not being exposed and everything to do with the importance the games carry.

I watched the end of the OU/Baylor game too! Does that mean that I don't care about what's going on in college basketball right now?

Or am I supposed to take your statement "people aren't talking about NCAA basketball" literally and believe that I am the only person on the face of the planet who is?

Come on.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then dont debate it...but please answer the question. Who is the 2nd best team in the country and how do you know that? Because that's what the BCS is all about right....no settling it head to head, its a way better idea to have a bunch of suits sitting around tables countywide deciding that.

Its such a preposterous argument.

And maybe playoffs dont magically make evrything better, though im not sure anyone has claimed that, but i will tell you one thing it does do...allows the players to decide.

The BCS isn't the perfect system, not close to it.
But logistically a playoff is impossible.

Every year after the regular season, we here on CP sit down and try to hash it out, it can't be done.

When to play it, where to play it, how many teams, how often to play. We can't fit 8 Round of 16 games on Saturday without overlap which would piss off networks and adversizers. How are fans going to travel all over the country, how will players cope with playing 4 straight weeks (I know they play 4 weeks straight during the season but there are some games against Cheeseball State thrown in there). Must finish playoffs before Saturday NFL playoffs start.. there's alot to consider.

The way the teams and divisions are split now, it is impossible to have a system. Pro sports have equal divisions, fairly equal schedules so the playoffs work. The Flames can't go play Olds in order to pad their record.

To me the only way to see a playoff in the future is to split FBS into 4 mega-conferences of 16 teams. So for example:

PAC-16
SEC-16
BIG-16
BIG EAST/ACC-16 (whatever)

Then do it like CIS football, division champs, conference finals, rotate the semifinals then the Vanier Cup.

Right now there is too much politics, teams are scared to play (dangerous) smaller teams and don't schedule, but will gladly play a cupcake.

Have it so these 64 teams can only play each other. Have a set schedule from the NCAA, not from the teams themselves.

Anyone, feel free to allocate 16 teams to 4 divisions.

[PIMking]

Teams don't play smaller teams because smaller schools (Boise State) want to be paid to go to a school like Nebraska and then they want the other school to come out for a return trip on their own dime. Alabama for example played Ga Southern yesterday and probably paid them close to 1million to play and Bama still cleared a cool 6 million in revenue after payment. it's about money, because GSU isn't going to want a return trip and that million pays for most their athletic budget.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I watched the end of the OU/Baylor game too! Does that mean that I don't care about what's going on in college basketball right now?

Or am I supposed to take your statement "people aren't talking about NCAA basketball" literally and believe that I am the only person on the face of the planet who is?

Come on.

I'll put it to you this way. A number of my best friends went to Syracuse, Georgetown and Vanderbilt. Schools that are much more focused on basketball, and in the case of Georgetown entirely focused on basketball. These guys are all huge college basketball fans, but none of them are spending their Monday mornings talking about college basketball, all of them are talking about the games from Saturday and the games coming up this week.

My personal experience is the same. I was at the Duke-MSU game at the garden last week, and while I wanted MSU to win I wasn't all that upset with a loss because it didn't me an a damn thing. Conversely, after the football loss to ND in September I sat silently on my couch for 2 hours and then avoided all college football news for a week just to not be reminded of the game.

The fact is that the first 3 months of the college basketball season are largely meaningless. Even the last parts of the season are only really interesting for bubble teams, otherwise it's a fight for seeding. The early part of the season is only interesting for the small minority of fans like yourself, fans of small schools that only play legitimate contenders in the early season tournaments. That's why the game against Temple mattered for you, for everyone else in the country it was a nothing game.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Teams don't play smaller teams because smaller schools (Boise State) want to be paid to go to a school like Nebraska and then they want the other school to come out for a return trip on their own dime. Alabama for example played Ga Southern yesterday and probably paid them close to 1million to play and Bama still cleared a cool 6 million in revenue after payment. it's about money, because GSU isn't going to want a return trip and that million pays for most their athletic budget.

Yep, Boise State needs to get over the home-and-home concept if they want to schedule top teams. They seem to be doing a bit of it, they come to East Lansing next year (not that MSU will necessarily be a top team next year) and then have a home-and-home with the Spartans in 2022 & 2023.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then dont debate it...but please answer the question. Who is the 2nd best team in the country and how do you know that? Because that's what the BCS is all about right....no settling it head to head, its a way better idea to have a bunch of suits sitting around tables countywide deciding that.

Its such a preposterous argument.

And maybe playoffs dont magically make evrything better, though im not sure anyone has claimed that, but i will tell you one thing it does do...allows the players to decide.

Right now? Alabama with the only other teams in the argument being Oklahoma State and Arkansas. But it's about finding out the teams at the end of the season and if LSU beats Arkansas and OU beats Okla. St. then it's pretty clear cut.

Either way, it's a ridiculous season to ask that question because any sort of post-season system simply wouldn't make sense this season. If LSU beats Arkansas they're clearly the best team in the country and any additional games would actually hurt the credibility of the national title. I'm not saying that should happen, but there-in lies the problem in college football - it's nearly impossible to come up with a post-season method that finds the best team every single season.

And you still haven't answered my question about how this week would've been better with a playoff system.

[transplant99]

But bama has already lost at home to LSU...how can they be more deserving than any other team mentioned? And your right, if LSU beats AK then there should be no "playoff" game to decide who is best, yet we will still have one in the form of the BCS NC game. See how ludicrous the whole thing is?

This week has nothing to do with the overall debate about a crooked and broken system that time and again has proven to answer very little....but i will say that because the myth continues that "every game means so much", this week settled squat. Its more convoluted than ever as to who should be #2...and IMO and millions of others, THAT should be determined on the football field not in the ivory towers of the NCAA elite.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But bama has already lost at home to LSU...how can they be more deserving than any other team mentioned? And your right, if LSU beats AK then there should be no "playoff" game to decide who is best, yet we will still have one in the form of the BCS NC game. See how ludicrous the whole thing is?

Because they're the only one-loss team that's played a decent schedule.

And wouldn't the whole thing be ludicrous with an any sort of 4, 8, or 16 team playoff? If anything it'd be worse because we already know who the best team is and the more teams you add to the playoffs the more games you make LSU play and the the better the odds are that they get knocked off by an inferior team.

This week has nothing to do with the overall debate about a crooked and broken system that time and again has proven to answer very little....but i will say that because the myth continues that "every game means so much", this week settled squat. Its more convoluted than ever as to who should be #2...and IMO and millions of others, THAT should be determined on the football field not in the ivory towers of the NCAA elite.

Way to avoid the question. So this week has nothing to do with the debate? Tell that to Oklahoma and Oregon who had their championship dreams squashed instead of losing seeding in a playoff. The BCS isn't perfect and there might be better options out there, but weeks like these are where the heightened importance of the regular season are really evident.

[MRCboicgy]

I was wondering, when did the creampuff schedule come in to play?

I went back around 15 years and looked at what some dominant NC teams played as a schedule and it was interesting to see the number of "big conf" and mid-majors teams played

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Al..._football_team 1/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Fl..._football_team 3/0 (even though Kansas was hardly a big conf team)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Ne..._football_team 3/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Ne..._football_team 3/1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Fl..._football_team 2/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Ne..._football_team 1/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Te..._football_team 1/2

[valo403]

Creampuff nonconference games have been around forever. At least nobody schedules the state school for the deaf anymore.

[Montana Moe]

That's one thing that has impressed me about LSU this season. Sure, they played Northwestern State and Western Kentucky, but they didn't have to schedule Oregon at a neutral site. They didn't have to schedule a home at home with West Virginia back when they were a top 10 squad. They will have played 8 games against teams that were ranked in the AP Top 25 at game time.

They went into this season planning on making a run at the title, and if they win out, there is no debate who is the best team in the nation.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

That's one thing that has impressed me about LSU this season. Sure, they played Northwestern State and Western Kentucky, but they didn't have to schedule Oregon at a neutral site. They didn't have to schedule a home at home with West Virginia back when they were a top 10 squad. They will have played 8 games against teams that were ranked in the AP Top 25 at game time.

They went into this season planning on making a run at the title, and if they win out, there is no debate who is the best team in the nation.

And even with all that they have to play an SEC Final and a National Final which is like a mini-playoffs.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

I was wondering, when did the creampuff schedule come in to play?

I went back around 15 years and looked at what some dominant NC teams played as a schedule and it was interesting to see the number of "big conf" and mid-majors teams played

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Al..._football_team 1/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Fl..._football_team 3/0 (even though Kansas was hardly a big conf team)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Ne..._football_team 3/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Ne..._football_team 3/1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Fl..._football_team 2/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Ne..._football_team 1/2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Te..._football_team 1/2

Even though I hate the man, Bobby would play anyone, anytime when he got to FSU. In 1992 he chose not to go to the SEC because he would have to play the Auburns, Bamas and his chances wouldn't be that great to make it to a championship so he settled on the ACC (which isn't really a great football conference).

Now I can take a shower and get this filth off of me for giving Bowden credit...

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

That's one thing that has impressed me about LSU this season. Sure, they played Northwestern State and Western Kentucky, but they didn't have to schedule Oregon at a neutral site. They didn't have to schedule a home at home with West Virginia back when they were a top 10 squad. They will have played 8 games against teams that were ranked in the AP Top 25 at game time.

They went into this season planning on making a run at the title, and if they win out, there is no debate who is the best team in the nation.

This is because two things

1) your ad has balls and wants the fans to see the best

2) your coach is too dumb to understand that playing good teams could screw him.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by PIMking

This is because two things

1) your AD is smart and scheduled a great season.

2) your coach is confident enough to know he can beat other "good" teams and propel his squad to the National Title.

fixed that for you.

[PIMking]

I'm not upset that Meyer is going to become the coach of OSU because he is becoming the coach of osu. I'm upset that he left Florida under false pretenses, he left because "his health" and "spend time with family" when only a few short weeks he was working for ESPN.

Not only that but supposedly he contacted OSU a few weeks ago about the job (while they have a coach) and has contacted a few UF coaches while they're under contract with UF to coach for him. That dude is a liar and scum, I said that he quit because he knew what he built sucked and didn't want to be the one responsible for it. If OSU fans think they're getting Urban of 06-08 they are sadly mistaken, I'm just puzzled that they would hire a guy with such a deep history of thugs playing for him when they're deep in legal troubles with the Tatt five.

[corporatejay]

I don't think i would equate working for ESPN and coaching full time as lateral moves. Those are very different time committments and stress levels. I think his health was/is poor and within two years he'll leave OSU or suffer a massive coronary.

[MRCboicgy]

Arkansas just took a 14-0 lead on LSU early in 2Q - picked up a fumble for 6.

Nebraska pretty much took it to Iowa 20-7 in a defensive battle. The score flattered the Hawkeyes.

[nik-]

Ugh, fire that punter.