[Signing] Flames sign Blake Coleman (6 years, $4.9m AAV)

[1qqaaz]

Again, this is year 1 of a 6 year deal through his 30s.

He should be more than justifying that cap hit in year 1.
The Markstrom deal is long too, but at least he seems to be crushing it on the front end of the deal right now.

On the bright side, I do think Coleman's floor is much, much higher than that of Brouwer's, Raymond's, Neal's, etc.

[dino7c]

He has a lot to do with #2 GAA in the league...and not speedy? Open your eyes.

Lucic is gone soon and they aren't really comparable anyway

Coleman flat out prevents the go ahead goal with 10 seconds 2 games ago.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Again, this is year 1 of a 6 year deal through his 30s.

He should be more than justifying that cap hit in year 1.
The Markstrom deal is long too, but at least he seems to be crushing it on the front end of the deal right now.

On the bright side, I do think Coleman's floor is much, much higher than that of Brouwer's, Raymond's, Neal's, etc.

This seasons finished already?? News to me.

[Burning Beard]

I reckon Coleman is playing exactly as expected when he signed. There is more to hockey than points.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I reckon Coleman is playing exactly as expected when he signed. There is more to hockey than points.

Considering the two guys who lead the league in scoring every season have one playoff win in 7 years you just might be right.

Coleman played 18 mins a night for the back to back cup champs...I think he will be okay.


This thread really seems like digging deep for something to complain about.

[Heavy Jack]

Also it’s funny that you’re using Markstrom contract as a comparison and how he’s ‘now’ killing it on the front side of the contract. You give a nod to the fact that Markstrom’s first season was less than desirable but you don’t outright say this you just elude to the fact that he’s playing more than his contracts worth at this time. Couldn’t Coleman do the same theoretically?? Be so so this year and then be lights out next?

Past all that I refer to my immediate response ‘the seasons finished already??’ Can we not let things play out before stating absolutes? Enjoy the player and the team before declaring he’s a complete bust and the contract is a guaranteed mess by the end… 6 years from now. It’s a ridiculous stance to take IMO.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

He has been just a little worse than I expected. He puts in a consistent effort and is reliable defensively. But he's also small and not overly speedy. I still think this contract will be a complete disaster because of the age and term. He turns 30 in a week, is on pace for 31 points in 82 games, and earns almost 5 mill.

Based on production, he's not even earning his salary in year 1. There are 5 years after this year, and by the end, he'll be one of the oldest forwards in the league.

Not really true. See above.

[CsInMyBlood]

Coleman is playing great and now that he isn't saddled with Monahan and reunited with Backlund I expect everything to get better.

Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapaine is a brand new line and was absolutely dominant all game long. Once these guys get more time to figure it out together look out.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think he's been good as well but I just wonder how he's going to look once he gets into his 30's as players like this don't always age well.

I think it is fine to be worried about how this looks in few years. I just don't understand why this is worth talking about now, before he has even rounded the first half of his first season in Calgary. What is there even to talk about this early with regards to Coleman's longterm prognosis?

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[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Coleman is playing great and now that he isn't saddled with Monahan and reunited with Backlund I expect everything to get better.

Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapaine is a brand new line and was absolutely dominant all game long. Once these guys get more time to figure it out together look out.

Exactly this, we only saw that combo for one game and they were absolutely all over the puck and dominated. Couple more games and the same results and you might start seeing Coleman start to get some offence going more than it’s been.

[TheChief]

Sutter knows Coleman is wasted on Monahans line as he has to do double duty all over the ice cleaning up for Sean.



Once Backlund turns it around like he usually does in the later half of the season him and Coleman will be a dynamite threat I believe. Mangiapane will also benefit greatly from this.


Seans best roll is suited for top PP unit and 4th line. His days in Calgary are numbered as Mangiapane will soon fill in for him on the first assignment (if we can afford him).

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Considering the two guys who lead the league in scoring every season have one playoff win in 7 years you just might be right.

Coleman played 18 mins a night for the back to back cup champs...I think he will be okay.


This thread really seems like digging deep for something to complain about.

I guess that no one bothers to do any fact checking or expects any accuracy
19-20 14:42 #7 highest forward
20-21 15:27 #7 highest forward
Flames 15:30 #5 highest forward.


Post season

19-20 17:53 - #8 highest forward
20-21 16:09 - #8 highest forward

[looooob]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I guess that no one bothers to do any fact checking or expects any accuracy

why bother when we know you will do so in a respectful, non-condescending manner

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I guess that no one bothers to do any fact checking or expects any accuracy
19-20 14:42 #7 highest forward
20-21 15:27 #7 highest forward
Flames 15:30 #5 highest forward.


Post season

19-20 17:53 - #8 highest forward
20-21 16:09 - #8 highest forward

So he was 18 one year, less than that the other. Hardly a huge move from what he claimed.

Five on five he was the 7th and 6th most used forward in the playoffs for back to back cup champs.

Not sure the point was lost.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not really true. See above.

Does your post not show that he's below average in terms of 5 on 5 production per dollar of cap hit? Albeit only slightly

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

This seasons finished already?? News to me.

I calculated it to an 82 game season. What should I have done? Not commented on his play so far because it's only about 20% through the season?

Or are you saying it's too early to make judgements on the long term repercussions of the contract?
I was criticizing this deal well before it even happened (Coleman was always going to be overpaid by whichever team signed him - that's how free agency works).

Mikael Granlund is younger, signed a much much more reasonable 4 x 4, and is now a point per game. It's actually possible to make good UFA signings. It's like stocks. The trick is to buy low, not high.

[Moneyhands23]

I think he has been great

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I guess that no one bothers to do any fact checking or expects any accuracy
19-20 14:42 #7 highest forward
20-21 15:27 #7 highest forward
Flames 15:30 #5 highest forward.


Post season

19-20 17:53 - #8 highest forward
20-21 16:09 - #8 highest forward

lol you can't be serious

fine 17:53 for a cup champ in the playoffs...not 18:00 lol

some posters are absolutely gutted the team is doing well

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Does your post not show that he's below average in terms of 5 on 5 production per dollar of cap hit? Albeit only slightly



I calculated it to an 82 game season. What should I have done? Not commented on his play so far because it's only about 20% through the season?

Or are you saying it's too early to make judgements on the long term repercussions of the contract?
I was criticizing this deal well before it even happened (Coleman was always going to be overpaid by whichever team signed him - that's how free agency works).

Mikael Granlund is younger, signed a much much more reasonable 4 x 4, and is now a point per game. It's actually possible to make good UFA signings. It's like stocks. The trick is to buy low, not high.

points points points points

how about 26 points in the last two playoffs if you want to go there....but honestly there is more to hockey than points which is the point you seem to keep ignoring.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is fine to be worried about how this looks in few years. I just don't understand why this is worth talking about now, before he has even rounded the first half of his first season in Calgary. What is there even to talk about this early with regards to Coleman's longterm prognosis?

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usual suspects are low on things to fire Brad about, team is too good

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Again, this is year 1 of a 6 year deal through his 30s.

He should be more than justifying that cap hit in year 1.
The Markstrom deal is long too, but at least he seems to be crushing it on the front end of the deal right now.

On the bright side, I do think Coleman's floor is much, much higher than that of Brouwer's, Raymond's, Neal's, etc.

playing at higher altitude 3500ft it takes time to adjust,new system,new team,new city moving his family. Give the man a chance to early when there are multiple factors.