Brad Treliving needs to go

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I guess its HOW you give the company notice. I know where I work the Owner rightfully gets pissed off when a new hire works 3-4 weeks and just phones it in that they quit.

When a 12 yar employee can't be honest and gives no notice simply walks out thats no different and even worse. Glencross was traded to washington and sucked. We traded a late pick was it to get Bouwmeesters rights to sign him. We didn't have the money to sign Brodie at the time. Tavares is a great example and is roundly boooed when hes in Long Island.

It's how Guadreau did this and why to a big extent that stinks. Period. Its all about Johnny and never mind the fans and advertisers that pay him. I don't recall any one signing his wife, with all due respect.

BTW my son just GAVE NOTICE where he works after 8 years and they want him to stay and for the two weeks and keep working for them ( concrete cutter ).

Remarkable the difference it makes.

None of that has anything to do with my post or the one I responded to, nor is it even relevant. No one was “giving notice” here and no one was mailing it in. Gaudreau was being asked to sign a new deal - that’s all. He can decide do do it or not, and he can ask his wife to weigh in if he wants (or even let her pick if he wants).

The Flames didn’t sign his wife, true. And she didn’t play for them or get paid by them. That’s irrelevant, and so is the story about your kid (which, BTW, is not some sort of unusual story - you are supposed to give notice and continue working during the notice period).

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Thanks for the advice. Btw, next season for me is 2023-2024 season, just to be clear.

I am sure Treliving will be here this year and possibly Tkachuk also

Gotcha.

At some point a GM goes, so if you're looking out two years I could see that. I don't see an ownership group that is questioning the guy at all right now though.

It is interesting to see the team history for tenure.

Fletcher 7065 days
Treliving 3002
Sutter 2819
Risebrough 1633
Coates 1622
Feaster 1081
Button 1040
Burke 138

At some point teams move on and Treliving has had a run.

Personally I like the stability, team seemed like a mess for flipping every three years.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Gotcha.

At some point a GM goes, so if you're looking out two years I could see that. I don't see an ownership group that is questioning the guy at all right now though.

It is interesting to see the team history for tenure.

Fletcher 7065 days
Treliving 3002
Sutter 2819
Risebrough 1633
Coates 1622
Feaster 1081
Button 1040
Burke 138

At some point teams move on and Treliving has had a run.

Personally I like the stability, team seemed like a mess for flipping every three years.

Is it any wonder this organization has a single Stanley Cup with a list of GM’s like that? Outside of Fletcher the GM’s range from mediocre to outright terrible (I’m not counting Burke because of his interim status).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Is it any wonder this organization has a single Stanley Cup with a list of GM’s like that? Outside of Fletcher the GM’s range from mediocre to outright terrible (I’m not counting Burke because of his interim status).

I’m not going to defend these guys but it’s curious that several have been hired by other clubs in very senior roles. All except Sutter and Button really.

I don’t know if Treliving would get another GM job again. Maybe.

[JohnnyB]

I'm fine with Treliving sticking around. I've been quite critical of him, particularly wrt to his coaching hires pre-Sutter, but I don't hate what he's done with the team. They've had some competitive and entertaining seasons together.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I’m not going to defend these guys but it’s curious that several have been hired by other clubs in very senior roles. All except Sutter and Button really.

I don’t know if Treliving would get another GM job again. Maybe.

Feaster hasn’t. Coates served in more “senior advisory” roles and those were usually short lived.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Treliving may be on his last legs as Flames GM but he's got one more shot and it's hard to fault him with the Gaudreau situation because even other teams thought the Flames were going to get it done. It's all about Tkachuk now.

Now isn't the time to double down and gamble again. Have to lock him up as the face of the franchise, or commit to moving him before it's too late.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...esson-learned/

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

Treliving may be on his last legs as Flames GM but he's got one more shot and it's hard to fault him with the Gaudreau situation because even other teams thought the Flames were going to get it done. It's all about Tkachuk now.

Now isn't the time to double down and gamble again. Have to lock him up as the face of the franchise, or commit to moving him before it's too late.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...esson-learned/

I fault him in the Gaudreau situation from the point of view of asset management, but I don't fault him as a GM when I think he recognized that last season was the best chance he would have with this roster and he went all-in to see if they could win. Then, come the end of the season with Johnny seemingly a decent chance to stay he did everything he could to make that happen. He shoud, imo, have imposed his own deadline before the draft or tried to find a way to push Johnny's camp to give decisions earlier, but I'm not going to hold that against him too much. He tried to make the winning play, and it didn't work out. At least he went for it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Feaster hasn’t. Coates served in more “senior advisory” roles and those were usually short lived.

Feaster had a GM job before Calgary. And Coates had some good jobs where it seems he had some meaningful responsibility, not just some advisor.

Maybe I don’t understand your point.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I’m not going to defend these guys but it’s curious that several have been hired by other clubs in very senior roles. All except Sutter and Button really.

I don’t know if Treliving would get another GM job again. Maybe.

Treliving would get another job for sure as an AGM at the least. Maybe even a GM again. Worse GM's have got 2nd tenures like Risebrough for example.

[activeStick]

None of us know, obviously, but my guess is Treliving would get picked up very quickly as GM in the league. He's way too good to be an AGM.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by activeStick

None of us know, obviously, but my guess is Treliving would get picked up very quickly as GM in the league. He's way too good to be an AGM.

Great. Let someone else deal with the risk and outcomes of having Treliving run the show. I'm sure Phoenix would hire him back. Doesn't mean we should keep him if he isn't moving the organization forward.

[Roof-Daddy]

Treliving would probably love to be a GM somewhere else because he wouldn't have to deal with the deck constantly being stacked against him like it is in Calgary.

He'd get hired somewhere else very quickly too I bet.

Other than #### coach hires he's done a great job and he seems to have learned from the Gluegun mistake.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm not saying that Treliving needs to go, but he has certainly been a mixed bag. He managed to build some pretty good teams and overcame some pretty big hurdles, but he also made some critical misjudgments.

It's like a chef cooking up an incredible meal, but then trips on his own apron and drops it on the floor just as it's about to be served. You have to give him credit for being able to make a fantastic feast, but in the end, it makes no difference to the customer who is still left hungry in the end. In a way, it feels worse because their expectations were raised.

I am for keeping Treliving because he has at least shown he can get the ingredients right, but man, he certainly has to figure out how not to mess it up in the end.

- A young rebuilding team overachieves... Treliving fires the coach.
- The team wins the Western Conference... Treliving keeps a rookie coach. **
- The franchise player goes into the final year of a contract without at least ongoing negotiations... player then walks.

For everything good that Treliving did, he countered it with a poor decision.

** I understand that the Peters thing forced his hand, but keeping Ward for the next season was his choice.

[TheChief]

Brad has sucked for a long time, what more is there to say? The time to move on has past long ago.

[GordonBlue]

I think part of the problem people have with Treliving are the playoff results. If a fan judges a GM by playoff success, he's been a failure.

[JohnnyB]

This poll is incredibly out of date. Given everything that's happened, it would worth starting a new thread with a new poll.

[JTech780]

I don’t think it will matter who the GM is, ownership will mandate mediocrity. This franchise is in desperate need of rebuild, but ownership will never allow that.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I don’t think it will matter who the GM is, ownership will mandate mediocrity.

That's a silly way to put it. Ownership refuses to tank deliberately, because they believe it would mean tens of millions in lost gate revenue. (The history of other such rebuilds suggests this is true.) That does not mean they want mediocrity. They have no trouble with, for instance, winning the division twice in four years.

[McG]

One thing that I don’t believe Treliving has improved or changed is Flames’ asset management. As a franchise, Flames are terrible at it. It’s not even debatable.

Where I have changed is that I’m now wondering about the rest of the organization under Treliving. Are they good enough?

Certainly I look at Treliving as the head of this area for the Flames, but I’m now wondering about those that are around the GM.

Are they good enough?