Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[Southside]

McDavid with that contract SHOULD fetch a nice return. But, McDavid will choose the destination and the return will be diminished. Realistically a couple 1st round picks, a good prospect or 2, a couple depth pieces. Is that going to turn the franchise around? Not likely.

[Tkachukwagon]

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Southside

McDavid with that contract SHOULD fetch a nice return. But, McDavid will choose the destination and the return will be diminished. Realistically a couple 1st round picks, a good prospect or 2, a couple depth pieces. Is that going to turn the franchise around? Not likely.

The return would be better than what VAN got for Hughes.

However, unless it includes a high-end goalie, 2 top 4 Dmen, 3 top 6 forwards, and 3 or 4 bottom 6 guys, I don't see how it makes the Oilers competitive.

[troutman]

Jean-Francois should calculate Oilers record when:

a) playing a playoff team
b) playing a rested team

[Enoch Root]

The thing about trading McDavid is that suddenly all the other players lose their McDavid bump. What is...

Draisaitl? Is he a 100 pt player without McDavid? Maybe for a couple years, then he slows down. Is he any better than Marner or Panarin on his own?

Bouchard? He plays every shift that McD and Drai play together including the PP, and that is where he gets his points. Without McDavid, he is a 40-50 pt guy who is the worst defenseman in the NHL. He is Gostisbehere.

Hyman? A 33 year old 40-50 pt winger. He's Coleman

RNH? Without that PP, RNH is Frost with better finish. He probably never gets 60 pts again.

Those are their good players. After that, it's all filler. When they trade McDavid, they are the Canucks.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The return would be better than what VAN got for Hughes.

However, unless it includes a high-end goalie, 2 top 4 Dmen, 3 top 6 forwards, and 3 or 4 bottom 6 guys, I don't see how it makes the Oilers competitive.

It would have to be the start of a rebuild I think. If the oilers were to trade McDavid this summer, I think there only 3 prospects/young players in the NHL that teams wouldn’t be willing to trade for McDavid - Celebrini, Bedard and Schaefer. For 2 years of McDavid and the inside track to sign him to his next contract, I think any team would trade any/all of their top prospects/young players outside of those 3. Just as an example:

To San Jose: McDavid
To Edmonton: Misa + San Jose’s 2026 1st round pick + Edmonton’s 2026 1st round pick + San Jose’s 2027 1st round pick + San Jose’s 2028 1st round pick

I could see something like that. It basically jumpstarts the oilers into a rebuild. Of course, his trade protection could limit the trade partners because he for sure will be picky about where he goes. San Jose is probably a bad example right now because it would likely feel like a similar situation as what he just went through in Edmonton - two superstars and poor defence. He likely did would not have much desire to play there.

The tough part for Edmonton will be if he only wants to go to teams that have virtually no young players/prospects of any quality (eg. Florida or Tampa Bay). Sure, they’ll give Edmonton 5-6 1st round picks but those likely all end up in 25th-32nd overall range. With how the oilers draft/develop, the likelihood of them getting a single impact player from the picks is really low.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Played golf yesterday with a hardcore Oilers fan and he is certain they will make the post season but are likely to get blown out in the 1st round. Says McDavid is gone this summer and the team will get all the pieces they need to be better from any trade where McDavid is involved. Interesting to see realization and delusion in the same statement.

It wont be this summer but i already bet a guy it will be at the TD or next summer.

The second his extension was announced it looked to me that the entire construct was based on what happened this year and next as to how long CM would remain in Edmonton.

Its a tire fire, he knew it and signed a deal that allows him to be traded to any team in the league he chooses (Not one of them cant make room for a12M dollar McDavid if needed) if things didnt turn around. Instead, they have gotten worse.

So unless Bowman and whoever else is in his ear these days pull out a miracle and are able to solidify the D, probably upgrade in goal yet again, and then find some forwards who can take some of the scoring pressure off the top guys.....all while having no real assets to do so....98 is gone within 15 months IMO.

[Tbull8]

My prediction remains he’ll end up in Tampa. I could see him really valuing a coach like Cooper

[pettycamp]

I'm with Willis on this one. I think many of us interpreted McDiver's comments the exact same way. Not sure why Spec is trying to deny the intent behind it.


Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis)
The "pillow fight" quote was great, but nowhere near as important as McDavid telling reporters to go ask Knoblauch what the Oilers need to do to be as well-coached and organized as the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec)
He did not say that, Jon. Nothing close.

Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis)
He raved about how well-coached and rehearsed and organized the Tampa Bay Lightning were. Then when he was asked what the Oilers had to do to get to that level he said it was a coaching question and to go ask Knoblauch.

That's pretty plain, no?

Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec)
Not saying there was no innuendo, or disputing his quotes. He did not tell the media to confront Knoblauch the way you stated. I was there. It wasn’t like that.

Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis)
I didn't say confront; I said ask. And yes, it's material that it was in response to a question rather than being unprompted.

But I'm less worried about tone than message. And it's especially notable because it's not the first time an Oilers star has delivered that message.

[dino7c]

McDavid wont waive if it hurts the other team too bad...they will get mostly futures

[transplant99]

Its all coming to a head up there....they have changed GM's 4 times, they have changed coaches and staffs 5 times, while 98 has been their star player. Literally dozens of players in and out during that time as well.

There is only one more thing to change that can be made and their issue is it will be entirely up to the guy they are sending out as to what team(s) they can negotiate with.

Just a very bleak future for them.

[Enoch Root]

E=NG13: Ask Knobber

[midniteowl]

Did McPiggy say anything about Panthers system and coaching when they shut the Oilers out 4-0? Or he can add, they have a great goalie?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Never do they look at the guys who pull the jersey over their heads for answers to why the team is struggling.

Except the goalies.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by pettycamp

I'm with Willis on this one. I think many of us interpreted McDiver's comments the exact same way. Not sure why Spec is trying to deny the intent behind it.


Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis)
The "pillow fight" quote was great, but nowhere near as important as McDavid telling reporters to go ask Knoblauch what the Oilers need to do to be as well-coached and organized as the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec)
He did not say that, Jon. Nothing close.

Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis)
He raved about how well-coached and rehearsed and organized the Tampa Bay Lightning were. Then when he was asked what the Oilers had to do to get to that level he said it was a coaching question and to go ask Knoblauch.

That's pretty plain, no?

Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec)
Not saying there was no innuendo, or disputing his quotes. He did not tell the media to confront Knoblauch the way you stated. I was there. It wasn’t like that.

Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis)
I didn't say confront; I said ask. And yes, it's material that it was in response to a question rather than being unprompted.

But I'm less worried about tone than message. And it's especially notable because it's not the first time an Oilers star has delivered that message.

Spector is so sensitive. Why so pissy Mark?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Spector is so sensitive. Why so pissy Mark?

You just know he's the type that can dish but can't take.

[D as in David]

Any team acquiring McDavid this summer only has a guarantee of two years of McDavid. Giving up a lot would/will be quite the gamble for a GM.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Watching for the Big Furniture Blow-Out Everything Must Go Sale at Trove Living.

[Shazam]

They need good players to actually have a functioning system.

[browna]

McDavid has been coached by Cooper now for two tournaments. Nevermind Cooper is the gold standard for coaching in the league, 14 years in Tampa.

I don’t doubt that McDavid is envious of having a proper organization based on stability. The amount of off ice internal instability he’s endured since his time in Edmonton is more then we know, with Lowe giving different players different sets of rules to try and mimic the 80s Oilers, and that applied to how coaches could coach, and thus coaches and GMs undermined as a result and how that affects development of young players and has veterans avoid that clown show for better part of 30 years now.

Again, McDavid is gone this summer or next. Something he and the Oilers have been planning for a while. But McDavid seeing how the other half lives with a guy like Cooper has accelerated his desire to have a chance at that normalcy and stability he has not had in his pro career.