2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

What the Flames should do is to trade their bad players for good players.

The old start with a pen and trade up for a Car

[ForeverFlameFan]

So do we just wait until Toffoli is back from injury? We desperately need a scoring winger sooner than later. I feel like Toffoli could rejuvenate Monahan a little bit in the middle 6.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I thought maybe they would make use of the COVID shutdown to try to hammer out the extension. As the season moves forward, I'm definitely starting to get a little more concerned.

I doubt that lack of "time" is the problem.

Johnny wants a 8 years and a boatload of money. He's been electric this year. He can ask for the moon, he doesn't even have to be reasonable, unless he desperately wants to stay in Calgary.

Treliving wants to give him something less.

But the clock is ticking for the Flames, not so for Johnny. The closer he gets to UFA, the more likely he may simply wait and see what offers are out there.

His chances of being traded are slim anyway, and depending on the list he presented, he may well need to approve any trade anyway.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So do we just wait until Toffoli is back from injury? We desperately need a scoring winger sooner than later. I feel like Toffoli could rejuvenate Monahan a little bit in the middle 6.

Unless Toffoli received his medical degree while recuperating, I doubt he's the answer to Monny's woes.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Better prediction:

keenan87: 'Treliving is an idiot for not signing Gaudreau'

Flames sign Gaudreau

keenan87: 'Treliving is an idiot for singing Gaudreau for that long and that much money'

You do realize both of these are most likely scenarios at this point.

What are you going to praise him if he lets Johnny walk away for nothing? If anything that shows your bias.

At the same time if he gives Johnny a ridiculous contract, what good is that going to do? Johnny has all the power at this point. Him signing a reasonable contract is a possibility but why would he? to continue playing on a perennial loser?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So do we just wait until Toffoli is back from injury? We desperately need a scoring winger sooner than later. I feel like Toffoli could rejuvenate Monahan a little bit in the middle 6.

Mony is a shell of himself, nothing is bringing him back now. Hopefully Tre can work some magic to dump him to some team that thinks they can rebuild him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

You do realize both of these are most likely scenarios at this point.

What are you going to praise him if he lets Johnny walk away for nothing? If anything that shows your bias.

At the same time if he gives Johnny a ridiculous contract, what good is that going to do? Johnny has all the power at this point. Him signing a reasonable contract is a possibility but why would he? to continue playing on a perennial loser?

You always have to show up to spread the cheer don't you? Why do you bother following this "perennial loser"?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Mony is a shell of himself, nothing is bringing him back now. Hopefully Tre can work some magic to dump him to some team that thinks they can rebuild him.

You think someone want to spend almost 7M on a 4th line center?

He is deadweight at this point

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unless Toffoli received his medical degree while recuperating, I doubt he's the answer to Monny's woes.

People were upset at me for saying Monahan rode Johnny’s coattail

Monahan was never good injuries or not. It’s worse now since he is playing with Lewis and Richardson or whoever on the Flames other than Johnny and Lindholm

I doubt even McDavid can score with those plugs

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You think someone want to spend almost 7M on a 4th line center?

He is deadweight at this point

That is why I used the word magic. Maybe if we give up some prospects in the deal and take future considerations back to a team with lots of cap.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is why I used the word magic. Maybe if we give up some prospects in the deal and take future considerations back to a team with lots of cap.

Yeah but I don’t think we can afford to give up real prospects needed to move him

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Mony is a shell of himself, nothing is bringing him back now.

A move to the wing could do him wonders. Less skating, more opportunity to use his size and off-puck ability. Maybe even a Monahan - Backlund - Coleman line.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You think someone want to spend almost 7M on a 4th line center?

He is deadweight at this point

I think you might be surprised. Monahan only has one year left, in other words, term isn’t much of an issue. For a rebuilding team and there is enough of a sweetener attached coming with Monahan, why not? The Flames could also retain salary in a potential deal.

A few weels back I thought Stienberg had a reasonable proposition; Monahan a 1st and a prospect for Hertl. Why does SJ do it? Obviously for the prospect and the pick. Plus you get Monahan as an asset, could he be flipped for more? Would Ottawa have interest? What about Boston? On the other hand the Flames add Hertl for the remainder of this year. Can they resign him? There’s probably good reason for both sides to entertain that option. And if he walks? Well, the Flames have that more more cap space to resign/sign players. If you took Monahan off this roster tomorrow with nothing coming back, there might not be that much of a material difference. It’s a risk I think they should consider taking. Bare in mind Sutter was pretty forthright about his, and presumably the organizations, intent to contend/win. Could have been lip service, but I doubt that. I think the Flames see themselves as knocking on the door of contention.

[kyuss275]

If your trading Mony it’s going to be dollar for dollar in and out. At best it would be for one reclamation project. As sad as this is to say, flames are probably better off keeping him in case a center goes down .

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If your trading Mony it’s going to be dollar for dollar in and out. At best it would be for one reclamation project. As sad as this is to say, flames are probably better off keeping him in case a center goes down .

Hindsight trade would have been Monahan for Taransenko. Not sure if the Blues would have done that though

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

People were upset at me for saying Monahan rode Johnny’s coattail

Monahan was never good injuries or not. It’s worse now since he is playing with Lewis and Richardson or whoever on the Flames other than Johnny and Lindholm

I doubt even McDavid can score with those plugs

Yeah it was pretty obvious to me that Monahan was a product of Gaudreau. I know they didn’t play away from each other very often, but when they did, Monahan looked exactly like he does now. A guy who can’t drive play of create his own shot.

I’ve told the story on CP before that Monahan was almost scratched by Glen Gulutzan in the 16-17 season when Johnny was injured. That was an obvious red flag right there. I don’t know if management chose to ignore it or just didn’t see it, but regardless, the information has always been there for them.

I don’t know even know what they can do with his contract right now, but his performance last night was atrocious. He had 3 additional weeks to heal whatever injuries some of the fanbase thinks he has and it didn’t help. Sutter is playing him on the 4th line again and yet he’s still bleeding goals. My patience with his defensive game is getting very thin. He’s at a -10 now. If the Flames want to win long term and in to the playoffs, he’s going to need to figure out how to be at the very least be an even player every night. We can’t get to where we ultimately want to be when your $6M center is flirting with -30.

[Bonded]

Monahan did score 20 as a rookie and I think he would scored at about that rate even without Gaudreau until his injuries caught up with him.



He looked like a true #1C for about 12 months and then fell off a cliff. Backlund and Monahan need to be better but stick with both for now.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Hindsight trade would have been Monahan for Taransenko. Not sure if the Blues would have done that though

I don’t think that was ever on the table.

The real hindsight would’ve been to keep Sam Bennett and trade Sean Monahan. The way he’s been playing this season, I fear the Flames may have to attach something just to rid themselves of his contract. It took a first rounder just for the Leafs to pawn off Marleau’s contract and that was pre-pandemic.

I suppose a buyout would be a solution. But that’s over $2M on the books in dead cap. Not ideal for a team dealing with a cap crunch this summer.

[Bonded]

Blues did expose Taransenko and he looked as broken as Monahan.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Monahan did score 20 as a rookie and I think he would scored at about that rate even without Gaudreau until his injuries caught up with him.



He looked like a true #1C for about 12 months and then fell off a cliff. Backlund and Monahan need to be better but stick with both for now.

I always see this and think to myself, did people think Mike Cammalleri or Jiri Hudler were dead weight or something? Where’s the respect for 2 of the better Flames in recent memory. Maybe they don’t ever get him to 30, but they certainly helped him to 20.

The injuries thing is also specious reasoning. It’s a convenient excuse the way I see it. Monahan had a career season in goals following his wrist injury. Where were the injury excuses then? As for the hip surgery he had this past summer. Has Monahan ever been fast or agile? I don’t think he’s lost a step at all. In fact, I think he’s working harder and skating harder then I’ve ever seen.

What I think has happened is the game has become way too quick for him. In 2014, his speed was just fine. But in 2021, he just can’t play at this pace especially as a center. He’s never been good with the puck on his stick for a prolonged periods of time and he’s always been limited in the ways he can score goals. He always had Johnny to defer to when exiting and entering zones and he’s always been wide open in the slot for Johnny to find him. But now, without a guy who can draw double teams, he’s basically James Neal out there who I’ve compared him to in the past.

But regardless of his offensive woes though, that I expected to occur. But what really bugs me is his defensive game. For someone whose been working hard at improving that side of his game, he’s been remarkably bad. I think that’s 5 straight games now where his line has been out for a goal against. The time off, the new linemates and the extra practice time to learn Darryl’s system didn’t help at all. He’s just lost out there. This team is going to have a hard time winning games if his line is constantly spotting the other team a goal every game.