Brad Treliving needs to go

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well he has already scored 77 without him in his third year in the league and brings more to the table than points

Tkachuk is a player every team wants, you are bananas to think he won't get it from the Flames or someone else.

I promise you the Blues or Sens will give him 9+ just for starters

A lot of people promised Gaudreau would get 11-12.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A lot of people promised Gaudreau would get 11-12.

Yeah, funny that. I pointed out a while back that no UFA had signed a deal with an eight-figure AAV since Covid hit.

There are now 14 active contracts in the NHL with AAVs of $10,000,000 or more. The only one signed since the beginning of 2020 is Aleksander Barkov ($10,000,000 exactly), and he did not change teams.

The contracts that were going to rival or surpass McDavid or Panarin just haven't been happening. Until the escrow debt is paid off and the cap begins to rise significantly, I don't see players having the leverage to get those huge deals again. Teams haven't got the cap space or the appetite for it.

A few years ago, GMs counted coup by signing the biggest stars to the biggest deals the cap would allow. Now they count coup by figuring out the most ingenious ways not to get trapped in the kind of cap schemozzle that has been wrecking the Vegas Golden Knights. Different times, different mentality.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A lot of people promised Gaudreau would get 11-12.

he did get 10.5

Tkachuk is younger, bigger, and brings it in more areas...I think GMs absolutely love him.

[bax]

Insane how underrated Tkachuk is becoming around these parts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk is younger, bigger, and brings it in more areas...I think GMs absolutely love him.

The Flames are at a crossroads and must really think long and hard about what the future looks like. Is Tkachuk the guy that you build a team around, or do you leverage that love into some blue chip prospects and picks and begin a quick rebuild over the next two or three drafts?

I don't think Tkachuk is a guy you build around or thrust into a core leadership position. Tkachuk is a phenomenal support piece and should be viewed and paid as such IMO. He is Calgary's Draisaitl in the McDavid/Draisaitl conundrum. Calgary just lost their McDavid so you have to figure out if you believe Draisaitl can carry the team, or if he's just an awesome support player. I think Tkachuk, like Draisaitl, is an awesome support player and needs that superstar on his line to really shine. Do the Flames have that player or access to that player that will allow Tkachuk to reach similar heights as last season? I don't see one on the team now and nothing in the development pipeline, so I don't think he comes close to what he did last season. I also don't believe he has the temperament or tools to be a leader. His game and personality are very divisive and you love or hate the guy. So, it is a very tough decision going forward. I wouldn't entrust the future of the team to Tkachuk. I trade him and try to build some critical mass in the 2020-2024 drafts.

[Aarongavey]

It is way more important that we lockdown our own Jim Benning/Peter Chiarelli longterm before we think about whether we build around Tkachuk. Thankfully we have Brad and he does not seem to be going anywhere to build around, our very own Benning/Chiarelli Frankenstein.

Now assets that Brad is surely looking at trading to right the ship would have to be:

1) the five remaining draft picks the Flames have in the 2023 draft and the 5 remaining draft picks the Flames have in the 2024 draft.
2) Pelletier, Zary and Wolf. These are our 3 top prospects and should be able to garner something that will springboard the re-tool.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bax

Insane how underrated Tkachuk is becoming around these parts.

I tend to think we overrate Flames. It literally just happened with Gaudreau.

[Flamesfan05]

I would be shock to see Tkachuk or Treliving here to start next season

[Goriders]

I think Wolf and Pelletier are close to untouchable

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is way more important that we lockdown our own Jim Benning/Peter Chiarelli longterm before we think about whether we build around Tkachuk. Thankfully we have Brad and he does not seem to be going anywhere to build around, our very own Benning/Chiarelli Frankenstein.

Now assets that Brad is surely looking at trading to right the ship would have to be:

1) the five remaining draft picks the Flames have in the 2023 draft and the 5 remaining draft picks the Flames have in the 2024 draft.
2) Pelletier, Zary and Wolf. These are our 3 top prospects and should be able to garner something that will springboard the re-tool.

I don't think trading away picks and prospects is the route we should take.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I don't think trading away picks and prospects is the route we should take.

I believe this post was patronizing BT more then anything

[BurningSteel]

The only way I would trade Tkachuk is with a crystal ball to the team that ends up with 1oa in next year's draft. Has to happen now to make sense.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by bax

Insane how underrated Tkachuk is becoming around these parts.

I have tons of American friends and aquantenances so take this with a grain of salt...

The Gaudreau debacle has a lot of fans getting very upset with US born players who have been rumored in the past to "want to go home" to play. And the Tkachuks are notorious "negotiators" who would and do have a history of absolutely using wedges.

I like Tkachuk as a play maker and great hands. Is he a point a game guy career? Sign soon in a few weeks or trade him. Don't fall in love with players and fans should not tolerate another screw up sparked by "negotiating".

Swedes, Finns, Russians can go home and play in the KHL I suppose but Guadreau's actions have tainted the local trust worthiness of US born players lately.

I don't think he's under rated. I think he's being watched very clsoely now.

[SuperMatt18]

It’s funny that people thing playing closer to home is exclusive to Americans.

Jay Bouwmeester signed closer to home in Calgary because that was his wife’s preference at the time.

Glencross in Calgary. Then he retired because he didn’t want to go play somewhere else for what he thought wasn’t enough money.

Tavares and Brodie in Toronto. French Canadian players have been going back to Montreal for years.

Players have signed closer to home for years but now that it was Gaudreau and it went the other way it was an outrage and people act like this is exclusive to Americans, and that Gaudreau betrayed Calgary somehow.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I would be shock to see Tkachuk or Treliving here to start next season

I think you should prepare yourself for shock then.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think Wolf and Pelletier are close to untouchable

I could see what you’re saying about Wolf but not Pelletier and I think he’s super overrated around here.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think you should prepare yourself for shock then.

Thanks for the advice. Btw, next season for me is 2023-2024 season, just to be clear.

I am sure Treliving will be here this year and possibly Tkachuk also

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I could see what you’re saying about Wolf but not Pelletier and I think he’s super overrated around here.

Flames fans overrating a mid to late first round pick? That’s unpossible (cough Sven, Janko, Irving).

Confession - I’m probably guilty as well (cough Valimaki).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s funny that people thing playing closer to home is exclusive to Americans.

Jay Bouwmeester signed closer to home in Calgary because that was his wife’s preference at the time.

Glencross in Calgary. Then he retired because he didn’t want to go play somewhere else for what he thought wasn’t enough money.

Tavares and Brodie in Toronto. French Canadian players have been going back to Montreal for years.

Players have signed closer to home for years but now that it was Gaudreau and it went the other way it was an outrage and people act like this is exclusive to Americans, and that Gaudreau betrayed Calgary somehow.

I don’t see anyone criticizing that aspect of this mess.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t see anyone criticizing that aspect of this mess.

I guess its HOW you give the company notice. I know where I work the Owner rightfully gets pissed off when a new hire works 3-4 weeks and just phones it in that they quit.

When a 12 yar employee can't be honest and gives no notice simply walks out thats no different and even worse. Glencross was traded to washington and sucked. We traded a late pick was it to get Bouwmeesters rights to sign him. We didn't have the money to sign Brodie at the time. Tavares is a great example and is roundly boooed when hes in Long Island.

It's how Guadreau did this and why to a big extent that stinks. Period. Its all about Johnny and never mind the fans and advertisers that pay him. I don't recall any one signing his wife, with all due respect.

BTW my son just GAVE NOTICE where he works after 8 years and they want him to stay and for the two weeks and keep working for them ( concrete cutter ).

Remarkable the difference it makes.