Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

The only part I have a concern with is pushing "officially recognized Canadian content creators".

What constitutes a creator to be officially recognized, and can this be influenced by a party in power. For example, can a party recognize Jordan Peterson as a creator and have his videos pushed to people.

I don't think that's how it works at all. I believe they'd just be using a similar points system like traditional CanCon regulations, and as long creators meet that standard, they will be part of that group regardless of their content.

How specific creators within that group get promoted or where they fit in a feed would presumably be set by the companies, who'll naturally defer to things that generate revenue for them (just as they do now).

Not to mention that the specifics are determined by the CRTC, and not the party in power. Yes, the CRTC Commissioners are ultimately appointed by the government, but it seems pretty unlikely that a nominally independent entity is going to all of the sudden become a propaganda ministry for a specific party. At least no more likely than it was before this bill.

[Firebot]

Meanwhile, Michael Chong has just released a very strong statement based on the most recent Globe and Mail article where CSIS would have been aware of threats made to his family, but he personally never learned of such, seemingly as a result of the PMO not approving CSIS to warn Chong.

https://michaelchong.ca/wp-content/u...atementEN3.pdf

This is getting extremely serious, our government may be choosing partisanship over national security and safety of our MP's.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Brendone

Shouldn’t they sink or swim on their own merit? Might not be so obvious a show is Canadian (or possibly British) if they were forced to up their game a bit to survive.

I think you could make a case for things like music, where the barrier to entry is a bit lower. But if Canada doesn't prioritize domestic film/television production, then we'd likely barely have an industry (an industry that generates a fair number of jobs and economic activity).

And even if you think Canadian content is universally awful, a lot of people who work on US productions in Canada had opportunities to get into the industry because of government regulations about Canadian content. And there's a reason why similar schemes exist in most other countries that aren't the US.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Surely even you see a difference between private and free enterprises manipulating feeds, and a government looking to do the same?

Would you be sharing the same tune if this was implemented or used by a future conservative government looking to regulate content you watch or listen to? Maybe one with Danielle Smith at the helm forcing all social media sources to promote Smith approved Canadian news content like Rebel news to stay online? So why is this good?

If people would be scared of this bill being used for nefarious reasons by a future opposing government in the future, they should be scared of this being used by the current government.

Yet apathy reigns on.

Hmmm, do I? Tell me the difference between Facebook manipulating feeds based on what it wants you to see and what it wants you to react to and Netflix and YouTube manipulating feeds to serve you more Canadian content based on Government say-so. Which is better and why? Which causes more harm, and why?

Would I sing the same tune if another party introduced/passed this? Uh, yes, considering I don't expect the Liberals to reign forever, don't like the Liberals in the first place, and assume this will be in place whenever whoever takes over. Why do you assume that every opinion that doesn't match yours is infected with some sort of bias?

Would I sing the same tune if Smith became grand master of Canada and forced us all to watch Rebel News 24/7? Oh man, who knows, that seems like a super fair comparison to what's happening right now, though! For sure!

I never said it was good. It's dumb. But I think it's harmlessly dumb. I know what country I live in, and I know that the chances of it being used to cause harm are low. Could it be? Sure, I guess, not without incredible resistance. I see it as an extension of the typically useless CanCon stuff they have now.

You can disagree, which is fine. But the "oh, apathy reigns!" chicken-little stuff doesn't do it for me, personally.

[Firebot]

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Did you stop using Twitter once Elon Musk took over? Do you agree with CBC leaving the platform after being branded government funded? Do you choose to avoid Rebel News and True North Media?

Note how easy you can stop using any private organization if you don't agree with their practices or their politics? That's not the same when all feeds are forcibly manipulated as regulated by the government. Sure you can stop using that source, but all others will inevitably feed you the same Bell Media / Rogers / Telus bland Canadianized low cost versions of whatever hot commodity you want to view. And much like our overlayed Super Bowl commercials telling you to watch Amazing Race Canada 10 times in 10 min instead of seeing the coolest Pepsi commercial, so too will your favourite Youtube streamers and content providers be forced to show you Canadian content by our monopoly. Want to search for Big Brother? You mean Big Brother Canada right?

It dilutes the quality of content you watch, and content that is presented to you. And that's the issue with such a bill (now turned law), it could be used solely for this and just make us more bored to death, but the way it's written could most definitely be used for more nefarious reasons.

No, Bill C-11 isn't going to kill you or your unborn children, nor does anyone state such. Being forced to watch Amazing Race Canada may cause you to twitch, but it won't kill you or harm you (wtf?)

And again, for what purpose? There is literally no benefit to the average Canadians.

[Fuzz]

Jeezus, you really have an axe to grind on Amazing Race Canada, eh?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

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Did you stop using Twitter once Elon Musk took over? Do you agree with CBC leaving the platform after being branded government funded? Do you choose to avoid Rebel News and True North Media?

Note how easy you can stop using any private organization if you don't agree with their practices or their politics? That's not the same when all feeds are forcibly manipulated as regulated by the government. Sure you can stop using that source, but all others will inevitably feed you the same Bell Media / Rogers / Telus bland Canadianized low cost versions of whatever hot commodity you want to view. And much like our overlayed Super Bowl commercials telling you to watch Amazing Race Canada 10 times in 10 min instead of seeing the coolest Pepsi commercial, so too will your favourite Youtube streamers and content providers be forced to show you Canadian content by our monopoly. Want to search for Big Brother? You mean Big Brother Canada right?

It dilutes the quality of content you watch, and content that is presented to you. And that's the issue with such a bill (now turned law), it could be used solely for this and just make us more bored to death, but the way it's written could most definitely be used for more nefarious reasons.

No, Bill C-11 isn't going to kill you or your unborn children, nor does anyone state such. Being forced to watch Amazing Race Canada may cause you to twitch, but it won't kill you or harm you (wtf?)

And again, for what purpose? There is literally no benefit to the average Canadians.

Have these regulations, as applied to traditional broadcasters for... years... stopped you from watching the OG versions of Amazing Race and Big Brother?

Do you need to just buy a cable package with CBS or what my man? How can we help you watch the shows you want to watch?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Have these regulations, as applied to traditional broadcasters for... years... stopped you from watching the OG versions of Amazing Race and Big Brother?

Do you need to just buy a cable package with CBS or what my man? How can we help you watch the shows you want to watch?

Not just the shows, he wants American commercials...for some reason. That one always cracks me up.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not just the shows, he wants American commercials...for some reason. That one always cracks me up.

Yes, instead of Amazing Race Canada commercials, I want to see random old people doing stuff while I get a list of side effects for 5 minutes straight and still have no idea what the commercial is actually for. Ask your doctor if this commercial is right for you!

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Jeezus, you really have an axe to grind on Amazing Race Canada, eh?

Which is funny, given that Amazing Race Canada was the most-watched Canadian-produced TV series in 2022 and would routinely outperform the top US-produced shows in terms of viewership, averaging 1.6M viewers a week.

That's the kind of dreck that people want to watch. The idea that CanCon regulations are going to somehow lower the quality of available programming is hilarious.

[PepsiFree]

In the USA they will get the cooooolest Pepsi commercials featuring the stars of FBI: Most Wanted: Extreme Contact: Terrorism Unit: NYC.

In Canada we will just get lame commercials for FBI: Most Wanted: Extreme Contact: Terrorism Unit: Canada.

Sad.

[Fuzz]

A push that began last summer to remove a few children's sexual education books from the southern Manitoba library system has since bubbled up into accusations its staff are pedophiles, as well as a campaign to defund the library — leaving some of its exhausted librarians considering quitting, the library's director says.

"The far-reaching effects [are] not that visible to the public — you know, we still function and we still open doors," said Cathy Ching, who heads South Central Regional Library, a network of five libraries in southern Manitoba communities.

"My staff are tired, my council members are tired. Staff sometimes don't know who's going to walk in the door and give them a hard time."

But it didn't stop there, Ching said. Librarians started hearing about how they were "promoting pornography," and that "we as staff were child sexual groomers and pedophiles." A March library board meeting was forced to end early when people showed up with signs, she said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...826643?cmp=rss

This is the kind of trash leaking across our borders. Unfortunately we have groups like Rebel and WS encouraging this behaviour, destroying these vital institutions to society. They won't be satisfied until they've burned it all to the ground and we live in Gilead. #### all of these people so hard. And #### whoever contributes to the spread of their trash. We need to eliminate fake "news" organizations from our country before they destroy it.

[PeteMoss]

Cancon rules - you can argue about them being worthwhile or not - but we are in a unique position where we have the world's super power and a giant economy right next door to us and the vast majority of the content they produce is in the same language and without a discernably different accent that most English speakers in Canada. If you don't force our broadcasters to put Canadian content on the air - they likely won't because they can just buy some already produced US show for less money.

I barely watch any of the Canadian content - but I do think it's worthwhile to have our own culture here and not just be 100% over-ridden by US content. You get the odd gem out of it.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Except it can be slanted without anyone even being aware its being done.

How? They are going to force Netflix to make a pro-Liberal show and then force us all to watch it? Or put a Justin Trudeau video is dreamy at the top of the YouTube home page and not allow our mouse to move unless we click on it?

I guess you could worry about TikTok since that it is just an autoplaying feed for the most part but considering its currently run by a Chinese company - we've probably got other things to worry about there.

[JohnnyB]

I'm expecting more that it will be a Canadian version of Squid Game, but real and all the participants will be conservatives rounded up by the Trudeau government.

[Yoho]

Just different day same story.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1653165673151856640

Will be interesting to see what comes out next week.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1653223687993151489

[Doctorfever]

[QUOTE=Yoho;8696497]Just different day same story.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1653165673151856640

Will be interesting to see what comes out next week.



What is going on?

From the article;

“The Trudeau government continuing to accredit and allow a (Chinese) diplomat to remain in Canada to target my family abroad demonstrates a complete lack of leadership and common decency.”

Trudeau’s office and the security agency did not immediately respond to requests for comment and The Canadian Press has not independently verified the allegations published in the Globe and Mail.

How many things like this are currently going on with the Chinese government? Guess a few buck in the foundation buys their silence.

[shotinthebacklund]

Every day, a new and damming report surfaces showing the governments complete and utter disaster in the foreign interference scandal. This is far worse then any of the scandals relating to financial means. This is deep and spreads far and wide. This is also far from finished.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't think there's any choice now but for a full and proper public inquiry. There are too many hot spots on this file.


I'm still surprised that the special rapporteur or however you spell it, hasn't said that he wants no part of this and stepped down.

[Street Pharmacist]

I'm not trying to say there's no scandal here, but I keep asking and still don't understand what Trudeau gains from a donation to the foundation. Obviously there's a reason the Chinese donated the money, but I can't see a payoff here