2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Yoho]

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[Yoho]

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[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Bennett can’t keep up with Chucky.

Says the guy who can’t keep up with what thread he’s in.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Says the guy who can’t keep up with what thread he’s in.

Bravo

[bax]

Speculation on my part, but if Minnesota falls out of the race would there be any interest in Eric Staal as a pure rental?

76 points in 82 games last year and 26 points in 40 games this year.

Big, strong center with some finishing ability for the third line? I can't imagine he would cost a fortune. Cap hit of 3.5 million so I'm sure there is some way to make that work with retention. Maybe roll with something like this:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Bennett
Frolik-Staal-Neal
Ryan-Jankowski-Hathaway

[Matty81]

Alright this is a bit of an NHL 19 post but why not daydream... I wonder how much of a king's ransom the Flames would have to pay for a guy like Tarasenko.

When I think back to the Hawks I feel like adding Hossa and really turning their 2nd line into a legit threat was what put them over the top and rather than adding small pieces for the playoffs how about the flames chasing a big fish - not just a rental but someone they can move forward with.

My thoughts are that upgrading the 2nd line C or RW with a second elite scorer would truly put the flames into the contender bracket of the league for the next 3 seasons - until the second line has a little more punch I don't quite see them in that category despite great recent play (*ducks*).

In order to make a long term addition like that they would for sure need to buy out or trade James Neal this offseason, which is probably unrealistic. Just to play it out though a buyout would save them just under 4 mil a season, and would ding them 1.9 mil for four seasons beyond term. Alternately, you could eat 2 mil a year for the same cap savings with less cost to the owners and see if someone takes him in a trade at 3.75 a year... I think even given his struggles that would be likely able to move him at that cost. Gets rid of the long term impact of a buyout too. Probably need to move Mike Stone out too in the offseason to make a big addition fit if the poor guy isn't destined for LTIR for the next year and a bit already.

Given term remaining on Tarasenko's contract and reasonable salary, cost would be high - what do you think St. Louis would want?

My guess : one of the three blue chip young defencemen on the roster, the Flames next two firsts, maybe another mid grade prospect and a guy like Frolik going back to fill the hole in their roster short term and make the money work. Seems massive but I think you'd have to pay huge to get a star with term back. Too much? Quantity over quality?

Mark Stone would be my first choice in this daydream but I'm betting he'll be between 8-9 mil on a long term deal and just don't see the flames fitting him in.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Alright this is a bit of an NHL 19 post but why not daydream... I wonder how much of a king's ransom the Flames would have to pay for a guy like Tarasenko.

When I think back to the Hawks I feel like adding Hossa and really turning their 2nd line into a legit threat was what put them over the top and rather than adding small pieces for the playoffs how about the flames chasing a big fish - not just a rental but someone they can move forward with.

My thoughts are that upgrading the 2nd line C or RW with a second elite scorer would truly put the flames into the contender bracket of the league for the next 3 seasons - until the second line has a little more punch I don't quite see them in that category despite great recent play (*ducks*).

In order to make a long term addition like that they would for sure need to buy out or trade James Neal this offseason, which is probably unrealistic. Just to play it out though a buyout would save them just under 4 mil a season, and would ding them 1.9 mil for four seasons beyond term. Alternately, you could eat 2 mil a year for the same cap savings with less cost to the owners and see if someone takes him in a trade at 3.75 a year... I think even given his struggles that would be likely able to move him at that cost. Gets rid of the long term impact of a buyout too. Probably need to move Mike Stone out too in the offseason to make a big addition fit if the poor guy isn't destined for LTIR for the next year and a bit already.

Given term remaining on Tarasenko's contract and reasonable salary, cost would be high - what do you think St. Louis would want?

My guess : one of the three blue chip young defencemen on the roster, the Flames next two firsts, maybe another mid grade prospect and a guy like Frolik going back to fill the hole in their roster short term and make the money work. Seems massive but I think you'd have to pay huge to get a star with term back. Too much? Quantity over quality?

Mark Stone would be my first choice in this daydream but I'm betting he'll be between 8-9 mil on a long term deal and just don't see the flames fitting him in.

To be honest If the Flames were going to do something drastic like buy out Neal one season into his contract, I wouldn't want it to be for Tarasenko. He's 27 now and has declined three season in a row. The best forwards in today's NHL are in the 20-26 age range. That is the new prime for a forward. I wouldn't want to pay the price for Tarasenko because it's too risky in my opinion.

There is only one player in the top 10 for scoring over the age of 25- Patrick Kane.

[Split98]

^ I would love Stone here so much

I gave up when I saw how badly Ottawa needs a leader/face and a positive story. I think they way-overpay to keep him, but it all depends on whether or not the tire fire has any hope of being put out.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Split98

^ I would love Stone here so much

I gave up when I saw how badly Ottawa needs a leader/face and a positive story. I think they way-overpay to keep him, but it all depends on whether or not the tire fire has any hope of being put out.

after having to trade Karlsson and Hoffman, trading the probably #1 for Duchene (who has still yet to sign), Ottawa desperately needs a PR win...

i would be shocked if Stone is traded, and if he is you are losing a guy like Viliamki +++ if you are looking for non-core pieces.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by bax

To be honest If the Flames were going to do something drastic like buy out Neal one season into his contract, I wouldn't want it to be for Tarasenko. He's 27 now and has declined three season in a row. The best forwards in today's NHL are in the 20-26 age range. That is the new prime for a forward. I wouldn't want to pay the price for Tarasenko because it's too risky in my opinion.

There is only one player in the top 10 for scoring over the age of 25- Patrick Kane.

I think the only reason he is available right now (if the rumors are true that they are listening) is because he's having an off year. 33 goals last year just turned 27 and 31 when the contract expires. Yeah only on pace for 25 goals this year but a playmaker like Tkachuk on his other wing and playing against the other team's second pairings I think he'd be money in the bank personally. Also by all accounts a good character guy.



Also less worried about a Neal like decline because he's a quick skater.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I think the only reason he is available right now (if the rumors are true that they are listening) is because he's having an off year. 33 goals last year just turned 27 and 31 when the contract expires. Yeah only on pace for 25 goals this year but a playmaker like Tkachuk on his other wing and playing against the other team's second pairings I think he'd be money in the bank personally. Also by all accounts a good character guy.



Also less worried about a Neal like decline because he's a quick skater.

I'm not so sure I would call him a good character guy, what was said about him earlier this season? Not part of the problem, but not part of the solution either or something along those lines.

Also is this just an off year? Or is he slowly declining? A -14 this year to boot, granted I know the Blues have been bad.

I just think for the cost (trade and cap) there are better options out there. If they want to add another high caliber forward, I would rather it be a center. If you are talking to St.Louis Schenn makes more sense to me.

[Phagoof]

I'd pay a first + just to rent Stone for this season. Guy would be deadly with Backs and Chucky.

[Vinny01]

Talking about rental players on the FAN Pinder and Steinberg were “cheeky” when talking about Eberle. Mentioning that he lives here and could be a good fit. Seemed like they talked differently about him than others. Probably because he lives in Calgary.

Probably me over reading this since I want/hope the Flames are able to swap Frolik for Eberle.


They also think that the Flames would have interest in bringing Ferland back.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Also by all accounts a good character guy (Tarasenko)

Eh there’s been questions around his character for sure. And it seems like several coaches have hated his defensive effort or lack thereof. I really don’t think he’s the type of guy we’d be looking for. Also his contract would give us a lot of problems re-signing Tkachuk. Scoring does not seem to be a major issue for the Flanes. If they want to improve in that area I think you can look for improvements from within as Neal, Bennett, Janko, Czarnik are all capable of contributing more depth scoring IMO.

If the rumours are true then Treliving is more concerned about our depth on the left side of defense. And for good reason because if Gio or Hanifin go down to injury (knock on wood) we’re in rough shape on LD.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Talking about rental players on the FAN Pinder and Steinberg were “cheeky” when talking about Eberle. Mentioning that he lives here and could be a good fit. Seemed like they talked differently about him than others. Probably because he lives in Calgary.

Probably me over reading this since I want/hope the Flames are able to swap Frolik for Eberle.


They also think that the Flames would have interest in bringing Ferland back.

i'd like either personally... add some scoring on the bottom six; possible guys that could play on the 2nd line for short spurts. And some punch to the 2nd PP unit.

i think the only concern with carolina would be optics; if they traded Ferly back to calgary, they'd be looking at extracting their pound of flesh for the fleecing BT already laid on them... jmho

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i'd like either personally... add some scoring on the bottom six; possible guys that could play on the 2nd line for short spurts. And some punch to the 2nd PP unit.

i think the only concern with carolina would be optics; if they traded Ferly back to calgary, they'd be looking at extracting their pound of flesh for the fleecing BT already laid on them... jmho

Yeah I agree on the Ferland front. I could actually see him getting a 1st or a 2nd+good prospect due to his cheap cap hit and ability to play physical. The Leafs, Pens, Jets, Preds could all be teams that would have interest. I don’t think Waddell is looking to get fleeced by Treliving again but then again Dorian traded Karlsson to the Sharks after the whole Hoffman embarrassment


Eberle would potentially be a decent fit on the second line but a very solid fit on the 2nd PP where he could take Ryan’s spot as the right shot

[jg13]

Buy low on Talbot and send Smith the other way. Two UFA current backup goalies that have both been terrible but I suspect Talbot has a lot more to give.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by jg13

Buy low on Talbot and send Smith the other way. Two UFA current backup goalies that have both been terrible but I suspect Talbot has a lot more to give.

That stink doesn't just wash off.... NOOOOOOO

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That stink doesn't just wash off.... NOOOOOOO

Yeah it does. Reference Schultz aaannnddddd a few other ex Oilers who play well for their new teams. Taylor Hall? Nah, that ones cheating as he was always good.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That stink doesn't just wash off.... NOOOOOOO

Cases where the stank left off the top of my head
Petry, Hall, Schultz, Dubnyk,