07-29-2025, 02:41 PM
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#6441
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Groot
Did you miss the +?
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The problem is the + needs to outweigh Andersson as the most valuable part of that deal. I just don't see it as rational.
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07-29-2025, 02:43 PM
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#6442
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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The value of Robertson is probably more than 2xAndersson. So, thinking that Andersson is the central piece is kind of delusional. He could be additive I guess. I think it's an unprotected flames 1st next year and more. Not even sure why Dallas does that though, not what they need or are looking for.
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07-29-2025, 02:51 PM
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#6443
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I like Zellweger, but I would prefer Mintyukov. He still needs work on his defense, but he has NHL size, and skating, with a high-end offensive game and puck-moving ability.
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07-29-2025, 02:54 PM
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#6445
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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I can appreciate that teams would value certain players more, but I still can't rationalize how even 3 Anderssons would be worth a 25 year old 6'3 forward with 2 40 goal and a 100 point season under his belt.
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07-29-2025, 03:00 PM
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#6446
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
I can appreciate that teams would value certain players more, but I still can't rationalize how even 3 Anderssons would be worth a 25 year old 6'3 forward with 2 40 goal and a 100 point season under his belt.
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If the Stars trade him it is because they don’t think he is worth his next contract. I don’t think it can be purely rationalized from a value perspective
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07-29-2025, 03:01 PM
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#6447
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Here comes Monahammer right on time to take a giant dump on the value of all things Calgary Flames. Like clockwork.
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07-29-2025, 03:02 PM
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#6448
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
Would love to make a trade for McTavish but it would be so awesome if the flames could somehow get away with making the trade without giving up Zary or a 1st in 2026. The 3 team deal with Dallas is the best way to make that happen IMO.
To Dallas: Andersson (50% retained) + Coleman (50% retained) + 2nd round pick
To Anaheim: Robertson
To Calgary: McTavish + Lebushkin
Dallas gets exactly what they need in cap relief, a top pairing defenceman and depth scoring. Anaheim gets the best player in the deal who is only 25 years old and he’s a local kid. Calgary gets the most raw player but he’s a center and is only 22.
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I think this is a really fun proposal but there are two problems (in my opinion):
1) I do not think Robertson is worth all of those assets. - Andersson (#1RD)
- Coleman (#2/3LW)
- 2nd round pick
- Second and third retention slots for 2025 + first retention slot of 2026
- 2 year cap dump of Lyubushkin
Either the value of Robertson is too high or the value of Andersson is too low. I am guessing it is both considering the posters that are dominating this thread right now.
2) The bigger problem (again, in my opinion) is the fact that the Stars would be filling their #2LW spot by emptying out their #1LW spot. Coleman is great but I am not sure he should be the #1LW on the Stars.
The Stars are heavy on C, which is why it makes sense to look at moving out a C from an organizational depth perspective, but the Stars are getting really light on LW after moving out Marchment and his 20+ goals.
It makes more sense for them to sign Robertson to the Marner contract after they missed out on trying to land Marner and look to move out a different asset.
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07-29-2025, 03:08 PM
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#6449
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Here comes Monahammer right on time to take a giant dump on the value of all things Calgary Flames. Like clockwork.
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07-29-2025, 03:31 PM
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#6450
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
I think this is a really fun proposal but there are two problems (in my opinion):
1) I do not think Robertson is worth all of those assets. - Andersson (#1RD)
- Coleman (#2/3LW)
- 2nd round pick
- Second and third retention slots for 2025 + first retention slot of 2026
- 2 year cap dump of Lyubushkin
Either the value of Robertson is too high or the value of Andersson is too low. I am guessing it is both considering the posters that are dominating this thread right now.
2) The bigger problem (again, in my opinion) is the fact that the Stars would be filling their #2LW spot by emptying out their #1LW spot. Coleman is great but I am not sure he should be the #1LW on the Stars.
The Stars are heavy on C, which is why it makes sense to look at moving out a C from an organizational depth perspective, but the Stars are getting really light on LW after moving out Marchment and his 20+ goals.
It makes more sense for them to sign Robertson to the Marner contract after they missed out on trying to land Marner and look to move out a different asset.
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I think Robertson is worth more . Much more .
Coleman , a 2nd and retention all have little value . We have seen what retention and dumps are going for now that the cap rises . Not even sure why Dallas wants a 2nd .
If these three teams were all interested I think Zary and Anderson is the starting point . Maybe Zary goes to Anahiem , Coleman to Dallas with Anderson , and Anahiem adds something going to Dallas that helps them now ?
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07-29-2025, 04:01 PM
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#6451
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Yeah Robertson is closer to
Rasmus (50% retained) + zary + 1st
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07-29-2025, 04:26 PM
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#6453
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
Yeah Robertson is closer to
Rasmus (50% retained) + zary + 1st
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I agree that Robertson is worth more but I don't think that much more. He plays the least premium position and Zary is really good (IMO).
Rasmus + Coleman (50%) + Zary is more than enough for Robertson and I'd argue that we should get a future 2nd in return....like 2027.
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07-29-2025, 04:26 PM
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#6454
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Robertson isn’t getting moved.
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Definitely not for a dman with a windchill Jasper Ave in Feb -38 last year.
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07-29-2025, 04:27 PM
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#6455
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Scoring Winger
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Imagine if the Flames excluding wolf and pareyk (wtf his name is) traded any one and assets on the team and landed both McTavish AND Robertson.
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07-29-2025, 04:27 PM
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#6456
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Robertson isn’t getting moved.
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Heard something Sec? Also, have you heard anything similar to Royle’s rumour on Flames being the offer to beat for McTavish in the slim chance Anaheim does does work out a signing?
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07-29-2025, 04:31 PM
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#6457
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: Victoria, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CFO
Imagine if the Flames excluding wolf and pareyk (wtf his name is) traded any one and assets on the team and landed both McTavish AND Robertson.
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It's really not that hard to use google, FOC (or whatever your name is).
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07-29-2025, 04:41 PM
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#6458
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis_D
It's really not that hard to use google, FOC (or whatever your name is).
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The most electrifying Flames prospect in a long time, people better learn the name Parekh! Or you're not allowed to be a Flames fan! (kidding).
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07-29-2025, 04:55 PM
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#6459
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: Victoria, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
The most electrifying Flames prospect in a long time, people better learn the name Parekh! Or you're not allowed to be a Flames fan! (kidding).
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I mean, ppl still can't get Jerome Jarome right so I have low expectations lol.
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07-29-2025, 04:57 PM
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#6460
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Robertson isn’t getting moved.
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This is your 100th post in this thread. I've been anxiously awaiting it for the last few days since youve not posted here and it's not a gif. For shame!!
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