The Home Improvement Thread

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yup - Hardie has them on their website.

Deep Ocean - https://www.jameshardie.ca/color-and...9-8ecf69160685

Mountain Sage - https://www.jameshardie.ca/color-and...c-f61404e2aed5

What you're saying about lighting is absolutely true, but it's equally true that the colour of siding, accents, windows etc. makes a big difference as well. Hardie sort of advertises that its factory colours "absorb" the accents, so if you do white accents it tends to brighten them.

I have samples, but lighting aside it's actually very hard to picture what it will look like on a house. So what I actually did is go to a siding contractor and get a list of addresses of past jobs in the city and drove around and looked at actual houses in various hardie colours. And the mountain sage looks deeper / darker in person than it does in most of the pictures on the hardie website, while the deep ocean looks less... saturated. Both of which are, in my view, good things. So I finished that tour still very torn between the two.

On the pine siding, my builder says, "Durability of pine is always going to be lesser of what a PVC, composite, or metal product can provide. That being said, we use pine all the time for soffit material and fairly often as accent wall material, without problems. It's best to have the pine pre-stained or painted to keep moisture out that could cause warping or twisting of the material. When selecting a paint or stain we would ensure to use a product that's also rated with a longer durability and can stand up to the weather." So he doesn't seem to think it's a huge deal. And it's not a lot of accent, overall, so... yeah.

Yeah those links do a lot better job. I can see why the decision is torn.

I wonder if looking at the pics on the wall or possessions to see which color matches better for photos and for possessions. Maybe that would help with the tie breaker? Worst case you put it to random chance and then it's a funny story that the color was based on a coin flip.

My wife said blue. But she's always liked sky and ocean and is less enthused by earth tones. I'm the same in that I believe the blue will be more timeless.

If there's someone's whose opinion is paramount, but they've decided to sit on the fence, maybe you should try to get them off the fence. "Hey, what if instead of this blue or green, we go with Calgary Flames red and yellow? Oh, you'd rather one of the original green/blue instead? OK, let's do that."

[Fuzz]

I think given the scale of your building, no colour is going to overwhelm in a monolithic way like shown in those pictures. Here's my garage, which is more your scale, with a darker blue than the Hardie(I've compared to a sample).

Spoiler!

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The only concern I have with the deep ocean isn't that it's too dark; I don't really mind a dark tone. More that it's maybe too saturated - too blue.

The Hardie website really does help give a sense of the colour in different colour conditions but you still need to see it in person I think, especially the deep ocean... the pictures Blender posted earlier are IMO the best representation (third one in the below)

Ocean

Spoiler!

Sage

Spoiler!

Part of the problem is that everyone seems to use white accents and windows and I'm using black so it's a different vibe and different outcome. I don't know why everyone wants their house to look like they live in New England.

Silly question, but is it intentional that the roof in both pics are intentionally the same colors as the siding? Would you actually go with a green roof with Mountain Sage or light blue/blackish roof for Ocean Blue? In the third Ocean blue pic, there's very little colors other than the dirt in the area vs the other pics have much more vegetation. If that's your concern for saturation (especially with dark trim vs white) I could see that, especially early after the build before you get some landscaping in and it's all that dirt or if your outdoor accessories (ie: Car, BBQ, firepit etc.) are also darker tones vs contrasting tones.

Also, will regular visitors be the type to appreciate art/architecture in that they will look at those colors regularly vs out into nature/internal of the home? (ie: You) Art color POV, Ocean blue would in theory sway emotions between tranquility/freedom and cold vs Sage Green between growth/hope and envy? I could see why you have concerns it's saturated/too dark. If there's not enough contrast in landscape color and regular sunlight (grey skies), there is a chance the blue could end up giving a sense of cold sadness and depression.

https://www.adobe.com/ca/creativeclo...oaAjLOEALw_wcB
https://www.serenaarchetti.com/blog/...rs-in-your-art

I hope I'm not reading into it wrong, but it almost sounds like you're thinking that if the blue is really good, it'll be really good, but if it's bad, it'll be really bad. Sage so far sounds less likely to have those extremes. With dark trim, I totally get that and I could see that I'd have concerns about that too. However, I like thinking longer term. For me, I feel like I could address the Ocean blue with landscaping and foliage, which I'd want to do anyways. For green, I wouldn't feel as pressing of a need to do that, but then I'd have concern that the green could fade into a color I dislike (ie: an off olive color) that would require addressing in a manner that the blue would not. Either way, if it were me, I don't fully feel like either color would be a select and forget type of situation.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If so you guys need to look at the actual hardie shades because the green there looks way more saturated in that mock up than it does IRL.

Honestly a bit surprised there's so much love for the blue, it has been heavily green outside of CP in terms of people's opinions.

I think you were at my house a few years ago when I was just starting an exterior reno...everything was ripped off the face of my place. At that time I was really close to hitting the button on Hardie, but ended up going with more of a rock thing.

Anyway...the blue Hardie looks jaw-droppingly awesome. There's a house in Bonavista with it that I was going to shamelessly copy when we were going the Hardie way. It's gorgeous. Have you seen a house IRL with it? If not, I can find that house and PM you the address if you wanted to swing by and see. It's so gorgeous and I'm not even really a 'blue' guy. Just this shade is so freaking nice.

Haven't seen the green IRL, so maybe it's just as striking, but holy cow that blue is great.

[CroFlames]

I have a blue hardie house with white trim. Yes, it is awesome.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Silly question, but is it intentional that the roof in both pics are intentionally the same colors as the siding? Would you actually go with a green roof with Mountain Sage or light blue/blackish roof for Ocean Blue?

No. My roof will be a metal roof in the iron ore colour from this set.

https://westmansteel.com/suppport/colour-chart/

In the third Ocean blue pic, there's very little colors other than the dirt in the area vs the other pics have much more vegetation. If that's your concern for saturation (especially with dark trim vs white) I could see that, especially early after the build before you get some landscaping in and it's all that dirt or if your outdoor accessories (ie: Car, BBQ, firepit etc.) are also darker tones vs contrasting tones.

Definitely going to be some dirt in the area from landscaping (they're backfilling righto now actually) but ultimately it's going to be the ocean in front and then a lot of mossy tones around everywhere.

Also, will regular visitors be the type to appreciate art/architecture in that they will look at those colors regularly vs out into nature/internal of the home?

There will be very few minimal visitors, other than my extended family who also live on the adjacent properties. Other than that it's just the woods. No one else comes here, by design. We like to be left alone in our little family enclave.

I could see why you have concerns it's saturated/too dark. If there's not enough contrast in landscape color and regular sunlight (grey skies), there is a chance the blue could end up giving a sense of cold sadness and depression.

Yeah with the black accents and the fact that it's cloudy a lot there is a bit of that lack of warmth.

I hope I'm not reading into it wrong, but it almost sounds like you're thinking that if the blue is really good, it'll be really good, but if it's bad, it'll be really bad. Sage so far sounds less likely to have those extremes.

I actually think it's the opposite. I think the blue is likely to work well with just about everything, especially with wood accents. It almost doesn't matter what wood, a deep blue looks good with it. Sage is riskier to me because if the shade looks washed out it can just look... odd. And while green looks great with more reddish woods it doesn't necessarily go well with yellower woods and pine has some yellow tones. But the sage has a better upside because if you get it right it fits into the surroundings perfectly while being warmer and more inviting.

I think it'll work though. Really I think either will probably look quite good and I don't think there's a bad choice between them. But I have been going back and forth a lot about which I am leaning towards.

For green, I wouldn't feel as pressing of a need to do that, but then I'd have concern that the green could fade into a color I dislike (ie: an off olive color)

The benefit of hardie factory colours is they don't fade all that much, or so I'm told. But I do agree generally that blue fades better than green.

[Fuzz]

The nice thing about this type of siding is if you don't like it after a few years, it's not hard to paint yourself, and you won't need to worry about a second story or anything.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Here's a really good example of the sage colour with black windows and wood accents which gives me some confidence about the combo overall.

Spoiler!

Unrelated: I can choose between Centra and Vinyltek for my sliding patio doors. Leaning Vinyltek even though they're like 50% more expensive but if anyone has either and has experience, let me know.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Here's a really good example of the sage colour with black windows and wood accents which gives me some confidence about the combo overall.

Spoiler!

Unrelated: I can choose between Centra and Vinyltek for my sliding patio doors. Leaning Vinyltek even though they're like 50% more expensive but if anyone has either and has experience, let me know.

Looking at this, I seem to recall there's some newer buildings in Canmore that are using a green color (not sure if same or similar to mountain sage) with dark and black trim/roof and it looks pretty good?

I think the outside image is similar to the one I have from memory? Or maybe there's a few that are similar to it. Google maps images of the building look grey in a lot of them though.

https://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/new...=photosGallery

Seems like it would be a good combo if that's what you select. A really dark black with that Sage combo seems to look nicer (to me) than a dark grey.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Backfill just about done, slabs next and then floor... hopefully the weather holds and the slabs can be poured on Monday. High of 6 degrees isn't great but no rain is really the thing I care about on that front.

Getting a bit concerned about some budget items... the January invoice is going to be interesting.

[Shazam]

I hope the bodies of many of your enemies are in there.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

In addition to the soffit, these are the two areas that will be accented.

I think I'm just going to do the chimney with the same hardie lap siding as everywhere else. I could do it in hardie panel board. But in any case, the entryway wall accent is not going to get really any sun at all. The front piece will, but it is north facing so it's not too bad.

I'm also planning to do the ceiling of the greatroom in tongue and groove so the idea was to have the soffit and accents match so it's consistent.

Yeah, I think the entrance will be fine. It'll still have exposure to wet air so it'll weather a bit, but it shouldn't require much attention.

For the more exposed part, it really comes down to how much maintenance you want to do. For a north-facing wall with a transparent or semi-transparent finish, you can usually go 4-5 years before recoating it. It'll still usually look good longer than that, but eventually it gets to the point where you have to scrape and sand it before applying a new coat, which adds significantly to the amount of work. Whereas if you just brush on a new coat every 4-5 years, it should hold up pretty well.

The soffits are kind of in between. They're not super exposed, but they're definitively more in the elements than the covered entrance area. But they'd probably hold up pretty well. But again, they'd likely need to be re-coated in the mid-term, so just consider the cost/effort of that in your comparison.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The only concern I have with the deep ocean isn't that it's too dark; I don't really mind a dark tone. More that it's maybe too saturated - too blue.

The Hardie website really does help give a sense of the colour in different colour conditions but you still need to see it in person I think, especially the deep ocean... the pictures Blender posted earlier are IMO the best representation (third one in the below)

Ocean

Spoiler!

Sage

Spoiler!

Part of the problem is that everyone seems to use white accents and windows and I'm using black so it's a different vibe and different outcome. I don't know why everyone wants their house to look like they live in New England.

With these pictures...ABSOLUTELY the blue. With black trim? Chef's kiss.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Backfill just about done, slabs next and then floor... hopefully the weather holds and the slabs can be poured on Monday. High of 6 degrees isn't great but no rain is really the thing I care about on that front.

Getting a bit concerned about some budget items... the January invoice is going to be interesting.

It is just about "just following up on your case and wanted to discuss 3.78 hours of ...stuff" time.

[Titan2]

The green does look better with the black. Still give me a peas soup vibe. A darker shade maybe would work.

[Titan2]

New topic. Gas lines. Our new house does not have a bbq line to the porch and I was thinking of running a line to a couple heater outlets.

Anyone have any experience with this? Who to call? Approximate cost? etc.?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Titan2

New topic. Gas lines. Our new house does not have a bbq line to the porch and I was thinking of running a line to a couple heater outlets.

Anyone have any experience with this? Who to call? Approximate cost? etc.?

I ran a gas line to our bbq as well as a future gas range. They had to run a second line off of the gas meter as the incoming main was not large enough to support it. All in both lines at about 60’ total was $2000 including permitting and pressure testing. This was 3 years ago so YMMV

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I ran a gas line to our bbq as well as a future gas range. They had to run a second line off of the gas meter as the incoming main was not large enough to support it. All in both lines at about 60’ total was $2000 including permitting and pressure testing. This was 3 years ago so YMMV

who did you use?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Titan2

who did you use?

It was tied into our basement reno, the contractor (reimagine builders) had their own sub contractor plumber who did the work. Never got his info, sorry man. The reason I knew the price is because it was considered an add on that isnt part of their standard basement package.

Gas lines like that should be pretty easy for any plumber to do though.

[Sliver]

Back to the blue/green thing. This is stressing me out. I can't understand what looks good about the green. The blue seems timeless.