The Home Improvement Thread

[moncton golden flames]

The correct answer is blue and any natural wood, whether pine or cedar, will age unevenly in about 2-3 years. Splurge for wood-like material now and save the hassle and maintenance down the road.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

The correct answer is blue and any natural wood, whether pine or cedar, will age unevenly in about 2-3 years. Splurge for wood-like material now and save the hassle and maintenance down the road.

Blue is 100% the right choice.

Friends of mine also just had some sort of wood-like siding installed and you can’t tell the difference unless you’re up close and purposely looking for the difference.

Basically, listen to moncton. This guy obviously knows.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I can answer your question but I usually charge $150/hr.

The last lawyer I used cost me $700/hr, so I'm sure he can afford you.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The reality is that even if it's a buy cheap buy twice thing, if I can kick the can down the road a bit here I'll be in a much better position to replace it with the other stuff in a few years when I'm not dropping hundreds of thousands on a building. Already splurging for other things that are harder to replace and more important (like big windows).

If it was 10k I'd do it but it is looking like quite a lot more than that based on quotes I'm getting at like $14/sq fit for just the material.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I can kick the can down the road a bit here I'll be in a much better position to replace it with the other stuff in a few years when I'm not dropping hundreds of thousands on a building.

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this from my clients.

[opendoor]

I don't know if I'd use pine on the west coast unless you were doing some kind of opaque finish over it; cedar (or sometimes fir for posts/beams) is the standard for exterior wood with any kind of clear or transparent finish.

How it'll stand up kind of depends on the conditions it'll be exposed to. Cedar soffits should be OK for the mid-term; they're not going to get much direct sun or rain exposure. Any vertical wood will sort of depend on the overhang above it and how much direct sun it gets.

I did a bunch of exterior cedar millwork on my parents place about 15 years ago and the difference in wear depending on the exposure has been pretty stark. Parts that don't get much direct sun or a ton of rain look pretty much just as good 15 years later; parts that are exposed to rain, but only a moderate amount of sun, were good for about 10 years before they needed some attention; and the southeast-facing parts that get full sun all summer and rain all winter get absolutely trashed and really do need to be sanded and recoated every 4-5 years.

[Manhattanboy]

I vote Labatt's Blue.

[Shazam]

I vote Oilers blue, the traitor that he is!

[Fuzz]

Y'all are wrong on the blue. That, or my partial colour blindness makes it look dull. No, no, it's you who are wrong.

[DoubleF]

I feel like that blue when dirty/dusty will sorta look slate like if it fades aggressively. Perhaps juniper berry type blue or it'll feel like a shadow.

The green IMO will look sorta like mossy if it's a little weathered and dusty. Over time, I feel like the color would sorta stick out vs blend into the surroundings... but I could be wrong.

IMO blue would blend in but IMO green would fade in. I feel like I'd personally prefer the patina of the blue over the green. But I'm also not sure if I'm being misled slightly by the amplification of certain colors in those images.

[CroFlames]

Time to create a poll to decide the house color.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If so you guys need to look at the actual hardie shades because the green there looks way more saturated in that mock up than it does IRL.

Honestly a bit surprised there's so much love for the blue, it has been heavily green outside of CP in terms of people's opinions.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If so you guys need to look at the actual hardie shades because the green there looks way more saturated in that mock up than it does IRL.

Honestly a bit surprised there's so much love for the blue, it has been heavily green outside of CP in terms of people's opinions.

The green looks good too but to me blue is likely to be more timeless

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this from my clients.

Are you a home builder? I'm definitely interested in your experience on this. You'd suggest I go for a faux wood PVC even at the higher cost?

Originally Posted by opendoor

How it'll stand up kind of depends on the conditions it'll be exposed to. Cedar soffits should be OK for the mid-term; they're not going to get much direct sun or rain exposure. Any vertical wood will sort of depend on the overhang above it and how much direct sun it gets.

In addition to the soffit, these are the two areas that will be accented.



I think I'm just going to do the chimney with the same hardie lap siding as everywhere else. I could do it in hardie panel board. But in any case, the entryway wall accent is not going to get really any sun at all. The front piece will, but it is north facing so it's not too bad.

I'm also planning to do the ceiling of the greatroom in tongue and groove so the idea was to have the soffit and accents match so it's consistent.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The green looks good too but to me blue is likely to be more timeless

Yeah, that's probably a better way to put it than blend vs fade. Initially it might be about the same, but over longer periods of time, the blue will likely have a better timeless patina vs the green might look old vs seem like it has a timeless patina. I feel like I've seen older cabins/buildings in green that didn't look so great, but the ones in dark blue seemed to look a bit better for longer.

But perhaps what also confounds me is that I know light can make huge differences in colors. This site I stumbled upon coincidentally shows a lot of what my thoughts are:

https://www.deucecitieshenhouse.com/...ark-green.html

The original pre-painted color pic is the color I'd be concerned that the green would fade into, an olive grey color which I wouldn't like as much as a faded navy blue grey color. But brand new dark green paint, the pics range from dark green to almost that blue hue Corsi is trying to decide on.

It's Corsi's decision in the end, but IMO, using renderings that have been color corrected isn't the I'd use to determine the color decision, personally. It'd be best if a sample could be obtained and then pics taken of it in direct sun, shade, dusk, over cast etc.

Based on the pics and links, there's already evidence that the colors seem to vary quite a bit depending on the lighting. Just painted walls indoors in my own home and I've noticed a lot of jaw dropping variation based on 2700K vs 4000K lighting. Differences in those light bulb colors can range between "I like the color" vs "Eww gross, wtf."

[Fuzz]

Ya, it's easy enough to get samples and see how they look in the natural environment of your place.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If so you guys need to look at the actual hardie shades because the green there looks way more saturated in that mock up than it does IRL.

Honestly a bit surprised there's so much love for the blue, it has been heavily green outside of CP in terms of people's opinions.

The links you provided, the sun is behind the house in Mountain Sage and showing nearly the same color tone than the mock up with the sun in front (tree shadows). It's also showing a darker green in the mock up, which I'm not sure if the real product would show. I'm going to assume the green should be a lot lighter if the sun is directly on it? Is there a better pic of it IRL with the sun directly on it?

Deep Ocean looks about right with the real pic vs the mock up and the sun/lighting in similar positioning/directly on it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

The links you provided, the sun is behind the house in Mountain Sage and showing nearly the same color tone than the mock up with the sun in front (tree shadows). It's also showing a darker green in the mock up, which I'm not sure if the real product would show. I'm going to assume the green should be a lot lighter if the sun is directly on it? Is there a better pic of it IRL with the sun directly on it?

Deep Ocean looks about right with the real pic vs the mock up and the sun/lighting in similar positioning/directly on it.

Yup - Hardie has them on their website.

Deep Ocean - https://www.jameshardie.ca/color-and...9-8ecf69160685

Mountain Sage - https://www.jameshardie.ca/color-and...c-f61404e2aed5

What you're saying about lighting is absolutely true, but it's equally true that the colour of siding, accents, windows etc. makes a big difference as well. Hardie sort of advertises that its factory colours "absorb" the accents, so if you do white accents it tends to brighten them.

I have samples, but lighting aside it's actually very hard to picture what it will look like on a house. So what I actually did is go to a siding contractor and get a list of addresses of past jobs in the city and drove around and looked at actual houses in various hardie colours. And the mountain sage looks deeper / darker in person than it does in most of the pictures on the hardie website, while the deep ocean looks less... saturated. Both of which are, in my view, good things. So I finished that tour still very torn between the two.

On the pine siding, my builder says, "Durability of pine is always going to be lesser of what a PVC, composite, or metal product can provide. That being said, we use pine all the time for soffit material and fairly often as accent wall material, without problems. It's best to have the pine pre-stained or painted to keep moisture out that could cause warping or twisting of the material. When selecting a paint or stain we would ensure to use a product that's also rated with a longer durability and can stand up to the weather." So he doesn't seem to think it's a huge deal. And it's not a lot of accent, overall, so... yeah.

[zarrell]

Last house I built was in Calgary, and I went with a similar blue (was CanXL not Hardie). Didn't like it as it was too dark. Now that I'm married, my wife and I are building in the foothills and we both like the green tones for in the forest and are going with the sage green ourselves. My vote is green.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The only concern I have with the deep ocean isn't that it's too dark; I don't really mind a dark tone. More that it's maybe too saturated - too blue.

The Hardie website really does help give a sense of the colour in different colour conditions but you still need to see it in person I think, especially the deep ocean... the pictures Blender posted earlier are IMO the best representation (third one in the below)

Ocean

Spoiler!

Sage

Spoiler!

Part of the problem is that everyone seems to use white accents and windows and I'm using black so it's a different vibe and different outcome. I don't know why everyone wants their house to look like they live in New England.